Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler - Any chance MSP-HNL can be made a legacy route?

Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | Airline Operations | Any chance MSP-HNL can be made a legacy route?

Kyle Weber
DVA1379
Senior Captain, MD-11
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"T/O CLAMP is the new THR HOLD"
Western United States

1,401 legs, 3,915.4 hours
1,068 legs, 2,472.3 hours online
1,051 legs, 3,070.8 hours ACARS
38 legs, 96.5 hours event

Post created on March 14 2011 00:18 ET

Like the title suggests, and as many of you know, HNL-MSP no longer exists on the DVA/real DAL timetables. Is there any chance that this might be added as a legacy route? This used to be a huge route for NWA having everything from B742s, B744s, DC10s, and A333s on it.

I personally only have flown once on the HNL-MSP portion in real life, just days after the retirement of the DC10 (dang), but love this route in FS. It would be awesome to have this route back.

Thanks.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Michael Marano
DVA5066
Captain, B757-200

Joined on October 05 2007
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Staten Island, NY USA

1,600 legs, 4,491.4 hours
168 legs, 324.4 hours online
1,518 legs, 4,218.9 hours ACARS
79 legs, 144.7 hours event

Post created on March 14 2011 00:24 ET

I would like it taken a step further and maybe load some historic NWA routes

Michael Marano (DVA5066)

Jesse Kovacs
DVA7577
Captain, B737-800
OLP

Joined on July 18 2009
50 State Club
Triple Century Club

"VATSIM vZOB DATM, I1"
Buffalo, NY USA

322 legs, 610.4 hours
27 legs, 44.6 hours online
320 legs, 602.8 hours ACARS
5 legs, 9.4 hours event

Post created on March 14 2011 09:38 ET

I like this idea. NWA is such a big part of what Delta is today, and deserves to be honored. If it wasn't for NWA, we wouldn't have the Airbus programs. I'll create a help desk issue.

Post created on March 14 2011 15:01 ET

Here is a link to an old timetable from NWA

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HWefOh5ZGv0/TUTbQ7-s29I/AAAAAAAACPw/0W_CdaiLVE8/s1600/scan0060.jpg

Michael Marano (DVA5066)

Post created on March 14 2011 18:59 ET

I think I have the last NWA timetable in PDF around somewhere.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Chris James
DVA6492
Captain, B757-200
OLP

Joined on October 05 2008
Double Century Club
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Grand Forks, ND USA

285 legs, 557.0 hours
278 legs, 548.6 hours online
282 legs, 550.1 hours ACARS
3 legs, 5.9 hours event

Post created on March 14 2011 19:55 ET

I generally don't post in the water-cooler but this is something that would be nice. I know we aren't the "Northwest VA," but at one point we were very intertwined with NWA; now that is history so it only makes sense to put it in the historic routes section. I agree that this would be a worth-while thing to bring back to DVA.

Chris James

Captain, B757-200

James Marshall
DVA1651
Senior Captain, MD-11

Joined on April 25 2004
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"DAL1651 heavy is type MD-11, ready for blastoff"
Northeastern United States

681 legs, 2,127.2 hours
293 legs, 819.0 hours online
429 legs, 1,266.4 hours ACARS
24 legs, 54.7 hours event

Post created on March 14 2011 23:06 ET

And routes like LAX/NRT/LAX with a 742!

James Marshall

Senior Captain, MD-11

Nathan Cox
DVA9080
Captain, B737-800

Joined on September 30 2010

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
Elizabethtown, KY USA

74 legs, 151.8 hours
37 legs, 53.4 hours online
60 legs, 123.5 hours ACARS
4 legs, 12.7 hours event

Post created on March 15 2011 00:18 ET

And DTW-TOL in the SF34!

Nathan Cox (DVA9080)

Mathias Lund
DVA8560
Senior Captain, B767-300
OLP

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København, Hovedstaden Danmark

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250 legs, 921.4 hours online
297 legs, 1,116.7 hours ACARS
8 legs, 38.8 hours event
351 legs, 1,358.8 hours total
331 legs dispatched, 302.2 hours

Post created on March 17 2011 20:10 ET

did anyone do a help disk issue on this matter?

Mathias Lund (DVA8560)

Lucas Miller
DVA9243
Captain, B737-800

Joined on November 23 2010

"Be Prepared"
Atascadero, CA USA

44 legs, 66.8 hours
28 legs, 33.1 hours ACARS

Post created on March 17 2011 20:28 ET

Yes, Captain, Jesse Kovacs did. Look at the third post in this thread.

Lucas Miller (DVA9243)

Post created on March 17 2011 22:32 ET

Also looks like COS-MSP is almost extinct...used to be 3x NWA A319s/320s (even the occasional 727 in the day). Then 2x CRJ-900s...now 1x DAL CRJ-200. Sad

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Post created on March 18 2011 19:21 ET

Make that true of COS-MEM also...barely lasted a few months (though I suppose I can see why).

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Joe Coughlin
DVA5973
Captain, B757-200

Joined on May 25 2008
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Fairborn, OH USA

501 legs, 1,583.7 hours
470 legs, 1,530.5 hours ACARS

Post created on March 18 2011 23:13 ET

Wow, I am surprised by the mentioning of several former routes that I used to fly on a regular basis from the NWA schedule that have been taken out. It is disappointing, hopefully we will get them through Legacy routes though!

Joe Coughlin (DVA5973)

Kyle Bjorklund
DVA9052
Captain, B727-200
OLP

Joined on September 14 2010

"1 Corinthians 15: 51-57"
Ypsilanti, MI

42 legs, 113.7 hours
35 legs, 97.6 hours online
40 legs, 109.5 hours ACARS
13 legs, 30.7 hours event

Post created on March 20 2011 11:04 ET

As a side note, if you wanted to expand into historical Northwest routes, and went to the Northwest Orient days, you could also expand into the Boeing 377 Stratocruiser for the old time routes to Tokyo.

Kyle Bjorklund

Captain, B727-200

Matt Young
DVA1008
Senior Captain, B757-200

Joined on December 14 2002
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West Lafayette, IN USA

584 legs, 1,440.9 hours
565 legs, 1,408.1 hours online
165 legs, 520.6 hours ACARS
31 legs, 69.9 hours event

Post created on March 20 2011 12:38 ET

Kyle Bjorklund wrote:

As a side note, if you wanted to expand into historical Northwest routes, and went to the Northwest Orient days, you could also expand into the Boeing 377 Stratocruiser for the old time routes to Tokyo.

I've been looking for a reason to fly that monster.

Matt Young

Senior Captain, B757-200

Luke Kolin
DVA043
Senior Captain, DC-8-61
OLP

Joined on June 10 2001
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Roswell, GA USA

1,138 legs, 3,731.0 hours
240 legs, 553.9 hours online
796 legs, 2,524.1 hours ACARS
74 legs, 193.6 hours event
1,174 legs, 3,865.9 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 65.3 hours

Post created on March 20 2011 12:40 ET

It's on my list, I have some historical sources as well as the last schedule feed with NW as a separate airline. It's on the list to get done.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, DC-8-61

David Knowles
DVA8742
Captain, MD-88

Joined on May 19 2010
50 State Club
Century Club

Cabot, AR

125 legs, 192.8 hours
119 legs, 183.6 hours ACARS

Post created on March 20 2011 14:59 ET

I personally think we should expand our historical program to not necessarily only in the DVH section. I think we should pull together as many routes as we can find for all of the airlines in the "Delta Family". I also would like to expand the fleet program so it can truly "reflect" the Delta family.

Here are some I'd like to see:

NC:

EAU-MSP, 580
MKE-ORD, 580
MKE-GRR, D9S
GRB-MQT, D9S

SO:

MEM-GWO MARTIN-404/METRO
MEM-MEI MARTIN-404/METRO
MEM-TCL MARTIN-404/DC9

RW:

HOU-PHX 722
HOU-SAT 722
HOU-TUS D9X
SAT-TUS D9X
BFL-LAS D9X

NW:

MEM-PFN SF3 9E/XJ
MEM-GSP SF3/CR2 (this was the inaugural CRJ route) 9E
MSP-MCO D10
MSP-ONT M82
MEM-CHA SF3 9E/XJ
DAY-CMH D9S
IAH-MEM DC9
MSP-IAH 752
DTW-IAH 320

David Knowles (DVA8742)

Ronald Pearson
DVA8917
Captain, DC-8-61
OLP, VFROLP

Joined on August 10 2010
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Southeastern United States

322 legs, 474.6 hours
13 legs, 21.0 hours online
316 legs, 463.7 hours ACARS
5 legs, 10.3 hours event

Post created on March 20 2011 21:10 ET

More historical routes would be a great. Particularly those flown with the propliners.

Ronald Pearson (DVA8917)

Sid Dudley
DVA3710
Chief Pilot, DC-6
OLP, PPL, COMM

Joined on November 12 2006
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Lakeland, FL USA

425 legs, 682.9 hours
35 legs, 60.8 hours online
378 legs, 612.4 hours ACARS
6 legs, 7.7 hours event

Post created on March 20 2011 21:59 ET

Found this site that might be of interest:

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/complete.htm

Sid Dudley (DVA3710)

David Knowles
DVA8742
Captain, MD-88

Joined on May 19 2010
50 State Club
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Cabot, AR

125 legs, 192.8 hours
119 legs, 183.6 hours ACARS

Post created on March 20 2011 22:40 ET

I think I am going to make a list of flights by airline that should be added.

David Knowles (DVA8742)

Post created on March 22 2011 10:14 ET

Luke Kolin wrote:

It's on my list, I have some historical sources as well as the last schedule feed with NW as a separate airline. It's on the list to get done.

Cheers!

Good to hear.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

David Knowles
DVA8742
Captain, MD-88

Joined on May 19 2010
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Cabot, AR

125 legs, 192.8 hours
119 legs, 183.6 hours ACARS

Post created on March 22 2011 20:58 ET

We may have to add more with the MEM reductions coming soon.

David Knowles (DVA8742)

Jon Farabee
DVA3102
Senior Captain, B757-200

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Alexandria, VA USA

2,027 legs, 5,620.3 hours
75 legs, 117.3 hours online
1,913 legs, 5,362.2 hours ACARS

Post created on March 23 2011 00:51 ET

NW also used to fly DCA-LAN, they flew that up until 2006 I believe it started off as a DC-9 route then it became an Airlink route after that before it was canned

Jon Farabee

Senior Captain, B757-200

Post created on June 12 2011 12:26 ET

Any chance there's an update on this?

(Had the bug to fly MSP-HNL earlier today).

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Post created on September 10 2011 11:54 ET

Polite bump.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Todd Marks
DVA10130
Captain, B737-800

Joined on September 02 2011

West Valley City, UT USA

73 legs, 122.1 hours
71 legs, 119.7 hours ACARS

Post created on September 12 2011 23:45 ET

Kyle Weber wrote:

Also looks like COS-MSP is almost extinct...used to be 3x NWA A319s/320s (even the occasional 727 in the day). Then 2x CRJ-900s...now 1x DAL CRJ-200. Sad :/

I flew that route 11 years ago in a DC-9. Great flight, except the taxi to the gate at COS takes FOREVER!!!

Todd Marks (DVA10130)

Brian Hankey
AFV230
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Austin, TX USA

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253 legs, 375.3 hours online
1,249 legs, 3,523.0 hours ACARS
17 legs, 70.8 hours event
1,646 legs, 4,778.8 hours total
216 legs dispatched, 157.0 hours

Post created on September 18 2011 08:00 ET

Sid Dudley wrote:

Found this site that might be of interest:

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/complete.htm

Sid - that's how the entire Historical AF and Historical KLM schedules got created smile

It's a painstaking process smile

Especially when I did the 1932 schedule to Paris to Hong Kong series that used to take 3 weeks to fly.

Brian Hankey (AFV230)

Post created on April 04 2012 21:58 ET

Polite bump again.

Now with routes like JMS and DVL cut from MSP; could these old NWA/DAL Saab routes maybe be ported over to historic as well?

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Post created on April 13 2012 09:33 ET

If it helps, here are the times/flight numbers toward the end of the route:

NW809 MSP-HNL, departs 11:40 AM, arrives 3:10 PM, equipment was previously B747-200, DC-10-30, and A330-300 (I believe with the occasional DC-10-40).
NW808 HNL-MSP, departs 6:25 PM, arrives 5:55 AM, equipment also B742/DC10/A333.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Post created on April 13 2012 11:59 ET

Thanks. I've added an issue to track this as well - http://www.deltava.org/issue.do?id=0xf45

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, DC-8-61

Dan Turner
DVA8152
First Officer, B767-300
OLP
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Jacksonville, FL USA

1,159 legs, 2,921.6 hours
698 legs, 1,755.8 hours online
1,033 legs, 2,466.9 hours ACARS
1 legs, 11.8 hours event
136 legs dispatched, 40.7 hours

Post created on April 13 2012 14:17 ET

Luke Kolin wrote:

Thanks. I've added an issue to track this as well - http://www.deltava.org/issue.do?id=0xf45

Cheers!

Cant wait for this!

Dan Turner (DVA8152)

Luca Di Biase
DVA10030
Captain, B727-200
OLP

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Milano, Lombardia Italia

323 legs, 812.4 hours
229 legs, 553.7 hours online
308 legs, 767.2 hours ACARS
27 legs, 52.7 hours event
1,404 legs, 2,952.6 hours total

Post created on April 13 2012 16:49 ET

Dan Turner wrote:

Luke Kolin wrote:

Thanks. I've added an issue to track this as well - http://www.deltava.org/issue.do?id=0xf45

Cheers!

Cant wait for this!

same here, LOL!

Luca Di Biase (DVA10030)

Michael Payne
DVA9707
Captain, B767-300
OLP

Joined on April 19 2011

"They can't retire Gramps Payne at 69...."
Leonardtown, MD USA

70 legs, 135.6 hours
33 legs, 58.1 hours online
67 legs, 130.0 hours ACARS
4 legs, 7.3 hours event

Post created on April 15 2012 21:28 ET

If we're going back to older NWA routes and aircraft, let's not forget the B707-320 flown by Northwest. That would be a sweet sister to the DC-8s. I plan to fly the B707 after I get my DC-8 rating, but the only routes I can log are on AFV.

Michael Payne

Captain, B767-300

Post created on April 15 2012 21:58 ET

Well, Luke alluded to a one-time upload of the final NWA schedule. I wouldn't hold my breath for the 707 it sounds like.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Greg Stark
DVA7752
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Parker, CO USA

320 legs, 694.5 hours
174 legs, 373.1 hours online
301 legs, 659.8 hours ACARS
13 legs, 22.1 hours event

Post created on April 15 2012 23:50 ET

I think when you search the online schedule on ACARS, it's empty. You just put their whole timetable in there rather than adding it to the historic schedule. Call it NWA's legacy maybe?

Greg Stark (DVA7752)

Post created on April 16 2012 09:44 ET

Indeed it'd be great to be able to "officially" use the NWA callsign again. Especially with some DC-9 flights.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Post created on May 12 2012 12:56 ET

I suppose add PDX-HNL in the NWA/DAL 753 now as well, just realized that route doesn't exist anymore either.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Post created on May 23 2012 19:15 ET

(and now MSP-ASE with the QWSim Avro released wink

)

Paul Siegrist
DVA8702
Captain, B737-800

Joined on May 19 2010

Arvada, CO USA

33 legs, 93.7 hours
32 legs, 89.7 hours ACARS

Post created on May 24 2012 15:58 ET

I like the idea of adding historic Northwest routes... 747 (100 & 200), 757 (200 & 300), DC-10 (30 & 40), and maybe even the Embarer 175.

Paul Siegrist (DVA8702)

Post created on May 28 2012 18:25 ET

I was lucky enough to catch the very last NWA DC-10 departure when it took off HNL-MSP several years ago, caught a video of it off of 8R too (night and dark but you can certainly hear those awesome engines).

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Post created on July 07 2012 17:18 ET

Any chance there's been any progress on this?

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Post created on July 07 2012 17:26 ET

You have been most patient on this. Let me see if I can get this done over the weekend.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, DC-8-61

Jay Marin
DVA10698
Captain, MD-11
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268 legs, 483.6 hours
255 legs, 464.5 hours online
268 legs, 483.6 hours ACARS
44 legs, 75.3 hours event

Post created on July 07 2012 18:28 ET

Sweeeeet!

Post created on July 07 2012 18:32 ET

My misfortune is your good luck. I was going to do this later this weekend, once I tested my new CPU cooler and my i5-2500K overclocked to 4+ Ghz on a hot summer's evening. I was going to do the redeye from LAX to ATL, and just before TRM on the HOLTZ9 I discovered I forgot to hit "START FLIGHT".

Happens to the best of us.

I'm going to load the NW schedule from 10/15/2009 and see what comes up. I'll post a link to a CSV file once I'm done.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, DC-8-61

Michael Brown
DVA3196
Assistant Chief Pilot, MD-11
OLP, PPL, VFROLP, COMM
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Joined on June 03 2006
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Anderson, MO

619 legs, 1,093.4 hours
292 legs, 503.1 hours online
580 legs, 1,026.5 hours ACARS
89 legs, 191.0 hours event
235 legs dispatched, 109.5 hours

Post created on July 07 2012 19:25 ET

Luke Kolin wrote:

...my new CPU cooler and my i5-2500K overclocked to 4+ Ghz on a hot summer's evening...

Post created on July 08 2012 10:59 ET

Merry Christmas all.

I took the Northwest schedules of October 15th and October 16th 2009 and loaded them in; I then removed out any legs that had an airport pair covered by the current Delta schedule. I then re-added any legs that I stripped out in the previous step that were necessary to complete a multi-leg flight (NW1 is a good example; leg 1 is covered by Delta's schedule).

Let me know what you think.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, DC-8-61

Post created on July 08 2012 14:35 ET

Luke Kolin wrote:

You have been most patient on this. Let me see if I can get this done over the weekend.

Cheers!

I certainly apologize for all the thread bumps, but thank you sooooo much! It'll be great to fly MSP-HNL and MSP to some of the smaller northern Midwest destinations. Something to look forward to when I get back from this business trip.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Mathias Ratz
DVA7897
Captain, B767-300

Joined on October 14 2009
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Bezau, Vorarlberg AT

325 legs, 1,197.8 hours
298 legs, 1,082.4 hours online
305 legs, 1,079.8 hours ACARS
2 legs, 12.8 hours event

Post created on July 08 2012 17:47 ET

Wow, thanks Mr. Kolin very nice to have these NWA Flights on (very much flights, when i take a look at the NWA Shedules) smile

i remember NWA a 757 TATL Flights from DTW to DUS with a 757, is it possible to add this one too - always nice to have some more TATL Flights, i'm having a timetable with the DEP/ARR Times if you are interested to add it smile

Post created on July 09 2012 09:41 ET

(P.S. It'll be great just be using the Northwest callsign too in general again; thank you very much one more time Luke!)

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Scott Simmons
DVA8088
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Corona, CA USA

1,799 legs, 4,324.6 hours
1,625 legs, 3,521.9 hours online
1,790 legs, 4,297.6 hours ACARS
143 legs, 304.9 hours event

Post created on July 10 2012 18:39 ET

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!!!

Scott Simmons (DVA8088)

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