Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler - question about the 757 and the 767

Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | DVA2006 | question about the 757 and the 767

DVA5636
Captain, B777-200

Joined on March 04 2008
DVA Five-Year Anniversary

Middle East

78 legs, 354.2 hours
74 legs, 345.2 hours online
70 legs, 308.4 hours ACARS
1 legs, 2.1 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 10 2008 08:14 ET by Bar Levy

i just want to know why the 757 and the 767 need diffrent checkrides because in real life they are common type rating (pilot that can fly the 757 can also fly the 767) why you are not doing it also?

Bar Levy

Captain, B777-200

DVA4890
Captain, B747-400
OLP

Joined on August 22 2007
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McDonough, GA USA

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330 legs, 1,101.7 hours online
948 legs, 2,807.1 hours ACARS
59 legs, 156.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 10 2008 08:35 ET by Mark Fetters

They used to have it where they were the same but i think they changed it so not so many pilots are in the same program at once, because the 757 and 767 are some of the biggest programs here

Mark Fetters (DVA4890)

DVA1427
Senior Captain, MD-11
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Kannapolis, NC

558 legs, 1,984.3 hours
250 legs, 611.8 hours online
384 legs, 1,530.5 hours ACARS
38 legs, 82.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 10 2008 08:36 ET by Lewis Gregory

Mark's right. The 757 and 767 programs used to be combined, but as DVA grew, the combined program simply got too big to manage efficiently, so the two types were split apart.

Lewis Gregory

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on August 10 2008 09:27 ET by Bar Levy

so why dont you can just get the rating with a test only and not the check ride?

Bar Levy

Captain, B777-200

DVA4589
Senior Captain, B737-800

Joined on June 15 2007
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Romania

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181 legs, 422.7 hours online
314 legs, 754.1 hours ACARS
8 legs, 20.9 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 10 2008 09:49 ET by Marius Petrascu

Bar, the 757 is a Rocket, while the 767 is a flying brick razz

j/k

Joking aside, the fact that they have an identical flight deck doesn't mean they are the same airplane. In fact, they are very different... Fuel planning is different, weights are different, passenger loading is different, range is different, takeoff, climb, cruise, descent and landing performances are different... Should I say more? wink

If you want a 757 rating, then just request it... and I'll be happy to assign it.

Regards

Marius Petrascu (DVA4589)

Posted onPost created on August 10 2008 10:10 ET by Bar Levy

dont get me worng, i know all this stuff but the fact for anther checkride on this one is a must on the Fleet 757 and i cant use PSS for example

Bar Levy

Captain, B777-200

DVA6109
Captain, B757-200

Joined on July 04 2008

Western United States

87 legs, 278.6 hours
33 legs, 91.7 hours online
67 legs, 197.1 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on August 10 2008 10:36 ET by Taylor Francis

I just finished the 767 checkride stuff, and for me, it was pretty cool. I actually did and learned a lot of things that I hadn't previously. For example, I hand flew an RNAV departure up to a certain altitude. I also had to hand fly the second half of an arrival and the approach with now GS. I had to learn all about Trans-atlantic flights, rules, routes, and how stuff works in Europe--and then plan a flight using what I had learned.

At first when I read the CR assignment, I was about ready to throw my hands up and say "yeah right" and walk out, but after reading and studying for a few days, it was pretty cool. So in speaking for myself, I had a blast. I learned lots and had fun in the meantime. And I'm sure I still wouldn't understand flying over the Atlantic or how to find international charts if I hadn't had the CR. So I saw going from the 57 to the 67 as just stepping up in the game; proving that I could do more than what I'd do in a C172--like go international and hand fly SID/STARs.

Taylor Francis

Captain, B757-200

DVA4965
Senior Captain, B737-800

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Posted onPost created on August 10 2008 11:36 ET by Alan Cluff

Great post Taylor. You are THE example to follow. Too many times people want to just jump into an aircraft and fly a check ride to get it over with and nab another rating. You took the opportunity to learn something new and did so by reading the instructions and applying yourself. It's all about learning new things and progressing. DVA is a fantastic airline because we have high standards and don't just hand out ratings. The programs and processes we have here at DVA produce quality... quality like your 767 check ride. Great job!

Alan Cluff

Senior Captain, B737-800

Posted onPost created on August 10 2008 12:23 ET by Bar Levy

ok i understand but still why i cant do the 757 checkride with a PSS for example?

Bar Levy

Captain, B777-200

DVA2750
Senior Captain, B757-200

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Posted onPost created on August 10 2008 13:38 ET by Derek Bradley

The fleet aircraft provide some important information that the payware aircraft don't. It also sets a standard. The PSS, CS,QW, etc 757's may have slightly different weights and configs. It shouldn't be a big deal to fly the fleet 757 for one flight. I fly it for all my 757 flights. Just take it for a spin to get used to it.

DVA6100
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on July 02 2008

Northeastern United States

57 legs, 134.0 hours
1 legs, 4.9 hours online
54 legs, 130.4 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on August 10 2008 22:43 ET by Matthew Sivilli

I feel the same way Taylor does. It was nice to pick my own SIDS/STARS and I flew most of it manually. I liked flying the localizer approach instead of ILS. More skill is needed. It was much funner than using the FMC the whole time. And as I write this I am flying my first international flight from ATL to EDDL. I set up the NAT tracks and such. Still a little hard to find and read the charts in Europe.

DVA5066
Captain, B757-200

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NY

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1,903 legs, 4,996.5 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on August 10 2008 23:47 ET by Michael Marano

I actually found the 767 CR to be easier than the 757 CR. I have a PS2 like controller that I use to fly and that sharp turn at TNP for final is difficult with that little analog stick. I hope to get more realistic controllers, but dont have the time or money or space to buy one.

Michael Marano (DVA5066)

DVA5947
Captain, B777-200
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516 legs, 2,271.3 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on August 11 2008 01:33 ET by Alex Deutz

yes i think the 757 cr is hard (i failed 4 times and havent gotten my hopes up enough to do it again)

Posted onPost created on August 11 2008 07:21 ET by Bar Levy

btw i wanted yesterday to practice on it for a bit and when i choosed the aircraft i got blue screen

Bar Levy

Captain, B777-200

DVA4629
Captain, A350-900

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Posted onPost created on August 13 2008 04:00 ET by Christian Franke

Hmm...I just fly B767 but did the theoretical Exam for B757. In the upcoming time I intend to finish the job. However, I agree on both sides. On the one hand, flying across Europe is different from the Americas. I'm German and controlled Frankfurt App and Twr for some years (stopped it - EDFF-FIR still salutes me everytime I fly into FRA). In my opinion B757 and 767 could come with one rating but you need to have an additional checkride for intercontinental flights. RVSM, transitional altiudes, qnh in hPa, phrasology, aso are different. If you ever intent to fly into in an event in London Heathrow for example, study hard in advance. There are some RL ATC that will handle you like you haven't been handled before in Europe. Ian was and ex-LHR director and gives you instructions so fast you will get confused. Andreas, controlling FRA and Zurich also controlls RL and (sometimes) doesn't really care about newbies. B757 also can cross the the pond! As far as I remember there were a whole lot airlines landing in Frankfurt, which you do not want to see in an event. But there are some very professional ones, too. A very good reputation had British Airways Virtual (flew for some years as Senior Captain with "Speedbird online wings" with them wink

). There you got a type-rating system different from ours but as difficult.

However, DeltaVA also needs to become or even stay in good reputation. We have a good education system, although I'm missing the European flight training a bit.
In conclusion, to me, it doesn't really matter whether you fly 757 or 767 from KTPA to KJFK but I do makes a difference when it comes to crossing the Atlantic.

KR Chris

Christian Franke

Captain, A350-900

DVA6264
Captain, B767-300

Joined on August 11 2008
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Posted onPost created on August 13 2008 05:14 ET by Mark Harper

Hi, chaps.

I'm new here, indeed this is my 1st post!

I've been assigned as a 752 pilot and this post immedtiately took my interest.

I have been flying the Leve-D 767 for BAV for most of the time now and wondered if it is a requirement to complete 752 status prior to using the 763?

I appreciate that there is a manual for this, that and the other to read through it's just I'm a very busy person right now and time is something that I rarely get in my favor!

Kind Regards.

Mark.

Mark Harper

Captain, B767-300

Posted onPost created on August 13 2008 05:37 ET by Christian Franke

as far as I know, there ain't no need to accomplish B757 rating in order to get approved for B767-rating exam.

Christian Franke

Captain, A350-900

Posted onPost created on August 13 2008 07:52 ET by Lewis Gregory

Hi Mark, welcome to DVA! (I also fly over at BAV...all of 27 hours in the past six months. Not enough hours in the day!)

To transfer into the 767 program, you'll first need to fly ten flights in the 757 and pass the Captain's exam. Then you can take and pass the 767 First Officer exam, request an equipment transfer over to the 767, and take and pass the checkride. After that, you'll be a 767 First Officer, and would need to do 10 flights in the 767 and pass the Captain's exam to get 767 Captain. Ranks here aren't like at BAV or most other VAs where they're based on hours; they're specific to the aircraft program you're in.

Alternately, you can request the 767 as an additional rating, which you can do pretty much immediately. The process is the same--file an Equipment Transfer request for the 767, just make sure you check the "additional rating" box. Then take and pass the checkride, and you'll still be in the 757 program but now you'll be able to fly and file flights with the 767.

If you're going to fly the 767 a lot here, I'd recommend getting the additional rating, *then* going back and meeting the requirements to transfer into the program. You can do both. It's actually less complicated to do than it is to explain; the Pilot Promotions Manual in the Document Library covers it better than I can this early in the morning with no caffeine. smile

Lewis Gregory

Senior Captain, MD-11

DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
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Posted onPost created on August 13 2008 10:40 ET by Luke Kolin

If memory serves, he does not need to be promoted to Captain since the 767 is in the same stage as the 757.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on August 13 2008 11:21 ET by Christian Franke

Oh I'd like to add something small: If you want to fly into Europe, Vacc-SAG is giving Pilottraining in English on request every now and then. Surley other Vaccs will also provide these training lessons, but I just know it from the SAG for sure. wink

Moreover Vatsim-Uk has a very detailed internet page on how to fly North Atlantic Tracks. Just google a bit. It belongs to Oceanic FIS. smile

(Disclaimer: Please don't blame me for advertising, it's just a little hint. There are the pros for Europe, in Europe. smile

Christian Franke

Captain, A350-900

DVA6264
Captain, B767-300

Joined on August 11 2008
DVA Five-Year Anniversary

Western Europe

95 legs, 594.4 hours
4 legs, 16.7 hours online
93 legs, 586.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on August 13 2008 15:53 ET by Mark Harper

Ok, thanks for that input, Guys.

So, I'm finding this all a bit overwhelming to begin with and in between dealing with a manic 4Y/O child I've been trying to read the manuals!

I'm eager to log my 1st flight for DvA but, I do want to do so in the B763 so basically, before my head fry's, how do I get going?

Do I 1st need to send my change of type rating request to CCQ from the 75 to the 76 and then log a check ride in the 76?

Sorry for appearing a little undefined but there is a lot to take in and I'm slightly confused about actually getting off the ground and logging that 1st flight!

Also, where do I download the ACARS program from? I just can't find a direct link. Is ACARS purely for online flying?

And finally, I hear a big gasp, where do I file for an equipment transfer so I can start off in my 76?

Cheers, Guys and sorry for being a pain in the behind!

Mark.

Mark Harper

Captain, B767-300

Posted onPost created on August 13 2008 16:09 ET by Luke Kolin

Mark, I don't believe we hire anyone into the 767 program any more - you should drop Jim Pray a line to see what can be done. If you haven't already done so, download ACARS 2.0 from the Fleet Library; it includes a handy schedule search tool. There's also one in the Pilot Center.

The Delta downloadable schedule is not an authoritative flight source for us.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

DVA4086
Captain, B777-200

Joined on February 21 2007
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"Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim"
Eastern Canada

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156 legs, 700.2 hours ACARS
6 legs, 32.5 hours event
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Posted onPost created on August 14 2008 13:18 ET by Aggrey Ellis

Now the 757s are doing a lot of TATL flying that the 767 used to do. The only difference is the performance of the aircraft.

Aggrey Ellis (DVA4086)

DVA6264
Captain, B767-300

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Western Europe

95 legs, 594.4 hours
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93 legs, 586.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on August 14 2008 16:18 ET by Mark Harper

Thanks for the help guys, I'm doing my 1st flight now, KATL-KLAX!

Cheers.

Mark.

Mark Harper

Captain, B767-300

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