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DVA6518
First Officer, B737-800

Joined on September 12 2008

Midwestern United States

7 legs, 24.5 hours
7 legs, 24.5 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on October 17 2008 02:20 ET by Tony Gomez

After completing my first flight I began searching the preferred routes from Atlanta (KATL) to Dallas-Fort Worth (KDFW) as suggested in the Online Flying Manual. However, the SIDs and STARs listed in some of the routes are either non-existing or out of date. For example: KATL NOONE CGO BNA MEM J66 LIT BYP4 KDFW. I could not find any reference for the NOONE SID and BYP4 (BONHAM FOUR ARRIVAL) is now updated to BYP5 (BONHAM FIVE). I'm sure it's a daunting task to keep all the routes updated so if you need help I'm volunteering.

Tony Gomez

First Officer, B737-800

DVA6198
Captain, B737-800

Joined on July 23 2008
50 State Club
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Virginia Beach, VA

469 legs, 533.1 hours
399 legs, 443.1 hours online
468 legs, 532.0 hours ACARS
4 legs, 7.6 hours event

Posted onPost created on October 17 2008 06:58 ET by Jeremy Jeffreys

I personally use Flightaware for all my pre-planning http://flightaware.com/analysis/route.rvt I know this does not fix the preferred route database but it does give you acurate real life routes.

Jeremy Jeffreys (DVA6198)

DVA5050
Captain, DC-8-61

Joined on October 03 2007
Double Century Club
Online Double Century Club

Southeastern United States

293 legs, 467.0 hours
258 legs, 416.1 hours online
280 legs, 444.5 hours ACARS
46 legs, 95.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on October 17 2008 08:57 ET by David Thomas

NOONE is found in the ATL5 SID. When listed as NOONE, in the flight plan you referenced, shows that a SID is not being used but rather a VOR or in this case an intersection for your first navigation initial point (IP). The flight plan could also have been written as ATL5 NOONE CGO BNA MEM J66 LIT BYP5 (leaving the airports designators off as they are listed int the origin and destnation sections of the flight plan). Yes the data base lags when the FAA changes some of the SIDS and STAR designations. I agree with Jeremy, I also use flightaware as a tool in my flight planning. For example you can look at the actual flight you are about to fly and it will tell you the filed route and altitudes. Under the Airport info you can get the latest SID and STAR (most of the time). You will also find if using Vroute or Simroutes.com that the SID and STAR designations may also lag. Typically it is not a big deal and if flying online ATC may correct it for you.

Hope this helps. Cheers smile

David Thomas

Captain, DC-8-61

DVA950
Senior Captain, B737-800

Joined on November 19 2002
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"Houston, We have a Problem"
Nazareth, PA USA

1,210 legs, 2,875.1 hours
1,147 legs, 2,716.7 hours online
886 legs, 1,977.2 hours ACARS
206 legs, 484.9 hours event

Posted onPost created on October 17 2008 09:01 ET by Anthony Piasecki

Tony,
The Noone is an intersection departure that is off the ATL5 SID , that is a (Atlanta 5), this routing is still used this day. The BYP4 (Bonham4/ 5 as it is now), can be found here as well as all North American charts http://www.myairplane.com/

Anthony Piasecki

Senior Captain, B737-800

Posted onPost created on October 17 2008 09:01 ET by Anthony Piasecki

Darn it Dave You type way faster than me smile

Anthony Piasecki

Senior Captain, B737-800

DVA6518
First Officer, B737-800

Joined on September 12 2008

Midwestern United States

7 legs, 24.5 hours
7 legs, 24.5 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on October 17 2008 09:24 ET by Tony Gomez

Thanks for the feedback. I was using AOPA's Flight Planner but I'll give flightware.com a try.

Tony Gomez

First Officer, B737-800

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