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Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | Airline Operations | NWA Cargo at DVA?

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Posted onPost created on November 03 2008 18:59 ET by Rick Charles

Now that Mother Justice has spoken and NWA is now officially part of DAL, can we expect (hope) to see a cargo division or some freighter flights here at DVA? (I ask hopefully as a freight dawg at heart).

FYI: NWA Cargo flies 15 dedicated 747-400 freighters.

From Wikipedia (as of Nov 3, 2008): 2006, NWA Cargo is the largest cargo carrier among U.S. combination passenger and cargo airlines. NWA Cargo’s fleet of 15 dedicated Boeing 747 freighter aircraft fly from key cities throughout the United States and Asia and connect the carrier’s cargo hub in Anchorage, Alaska (Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport), facilitating the quick transfer of cargo between large cities on both sides of the Pacific. NWA Cargo also transports freight aboard the passenger fleet of Northwest Airlines to more than 250 cities worldwide.

As of early 2008, NWA's largest cargo client is DHL International. In December 2007, NWA announced that DHL International would terminate its cargo agreement with the airline effective late 2008. According to NWA Chief Financial Officer Dave Davis, the loss of its largest cargo client will bring significant changes to the division.

NWA Cargo serves airports and routes not served by the passenger operation — the only U.S. carrier to maintain a separate fleet and route network exclusively for cargo. Such cargo-only cities on NWA's route map include Wilmington, Ohio, and cargo only routes include Chicago, Illinois to Anchorage, Alaska.

Rick Charles (DVA2919)

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Posted onPost created on November 03 2008 19:42 ET by Mark Fetters

I think they fly the 747-300

Mark Fetters (DVA4890)

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Posted onPost created on November 03 2008 19:54 ET by James Marshall

No, they fly 744s and I think they still have a few 742s flying cargo.

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Posted onPost created on November 03 2008 19:55 ET by Luke Kolin

I did a dry-run import of the entire NW schedule just now, to see what things will look like later this week. (Yes, we will be including the *ENTIRE* NW schedule starting some time this week.) I see 43 744 flights, with an interesting number in the 901-910 range with lots of stops.

Anyone with NW schedule knowledge want to chime in, if these are the cargo flights?

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

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Posted onPost created on November 03 2008 20:00 ET by James Marshall

Hey, Luke, I just looked up NW901 on our system here and it's a 744F operating ORD/ANC/NRT/ICN. Flights 902-910 are NOOP... at least for today, but I would imagine those are cargo flights.

James Marshall

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Posted onPost created on November 03 2008 20:03 ET by Rick Charles

Here's a link to a .pdf from the NWA CArgo website. 900 series are the cargo flights: http://www.nwa.com/services/shipping/cargo/November_2008_Operational_Schedule_v1.pdf

Rick Charles (DVA2919)

Posted onPost created on November 03 2008 20:08 ET by Rick Charles

Looks like I stand corrected. The 744s are pax and the 742s are the freighters.

From the NWA corp website: Pax 744s: 16; Cargo 742s: 11 (as of June 2008)

Link: http://ir.nwa.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=111021&p=irol-fleet

Rick Charles (DVA2919)

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Posted onPost created on November 03 2008 20:29 ET by Joe Coughlin

Yes they fly the B742s as freighters. They are very heavy in ANC and Asia.

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Posted onPost created on November 03 2008 20:30 ET by Mike Peterson

YAY more Long hauls in the Queen!!!!!

EDIT: will we be setting up a 747 program?

Mike Peterson

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Posted onPost created on November 03 2008 23:02 ET by Luke Kolin

If the 9xx flights are cargo, then I think we're in good shape to include them later this week. I have no plans to create a special flag in the schedule for cargo (especially with a quote like "the loss of its largest cargo client will bring significant changes to the division") but the flights will be there.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

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Posted onPost created on November 04 2008 00:27 ET by James Marshall

Great! I've been looking for more NWA routes for the 744 smile

I don't recall even finding any prior to now.

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Posted onPost created on November 04 2008 03:09 ET by Dean Shultz

Hopefully my home airport PANC will see lots more traffic now online!

Dean Shultz (DVA2701)

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Posted onPost created on November 04 2008 05:00 ET by Joseph Schwab

Straight from the horses mouth:

"We are more interested in flying passengers than cargo, therefore the 747 a/c that are sole frieghters will be converted into COMBI's. We are not interested in flying any cargo only configurations"

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Posted onPost created on November 04 2008 12:47 ET by Trevor Bair

I'm not sure where the NWA Cargo B747-400F factoid came from but I'm pretty sure that they operate only B747-200F's. The NWA site lists them as B74F so maybe that's where the confusion is coming from.

Note that the 9xx flights came through on the schedule import as B744's but on FlightAware these are showing as B742's (examples: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NWA906 & http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NWA908 ). Maybe these were manually set in the db, Luke?

Here's the list from AirFleets.net

N644NW 747-212F
N645NW 747-222B
N646NW 747-222B
N643NW 747-249F
N623US 747-251B
N624US 747-251B
N632NW 747-251BF
N631NW 747-251BF
N616US 747-251F
N617US 747-251F
N629US 747-251F
N639US 747-251F
N640US 747-251F

Trevor Bair

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Posted onPost created on November 04 2008 14:16 ET by Kris Goodrich

I'm all for flying some cargo flights out of ANC. With the loss of DHL though, we will probably lose almost all of the flights out of Wilmington. Delta is supposedly, finally coming along and realizing the benefits of the cargo side of things (new cargo area in ATL), so hopefully they will maintain a cargo division with dedicated aircraft. Other airlines do.

It doesn't make too much of a difference in our schedule, whether they are listed as 744 or 742. They can be flown with any capable aircraft.

Kris Goodrich

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Posted onPost created on November 04 2008 15:04 ET by James Marshall

Yeah, Trevor, when I looked in our PARS system for the 9xx flights it was listed as a 74F and I thought when I was in NRT I saw one or two 744F for NWA, but I was apparently wrong. Sorry for the confusion.

James Marshall

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Posted onPost created on November 04 2008 18:25 ET by Joe Coughlin

Dean, you're very lucky to live in such beautiful country!! smile

Posted onPost created on November 04 2008 18:48 ET by Trevor Bair

No worries James, I was just looking for an excuse to fly a classic 747! But, like Kris said, we can PIREP either so it's a moot point. biggrin

Trevor Bair

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Posted onPost created on November 04 2008 22:16 ET by Armanti Fluence

Looking forward to the Cargo Jumbo Flights. Thanks for the post Rick!

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Posted onPost created on November 04 2008 22:25 ET by Augusto Casado

It would be great if we can fly and report the cargo flights!!

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Posted onPost created on November 04 2008 22:27 ET by Brian Myers

I totally agree, Cargo flights would be awesome!

Brian Myers

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Posted onPost created on November 05 2008 07:57 ET by Rick Charles

You're welcome, Amanti.

For Augusto, I take Luke's announcement to mean that all NWA cargo flights are now available for selection to those holding a 747 rating. It is treated like all other flights and there is no distinction that it is a cargo flight. The NWA9XXs are the cargo flights from what I am able to determine. Check the r/w NWA website for their cargo schedule (link above) for comparison to what the DVA schedule contains..

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Posted onPost created on November 07 2008 00:25 ET by Andrew Lynn

That's what I summize Rick. The flights are there to fly but there won't be any "red flags" if you will, stating that it's a cargo flight. But we all know that it is. So if your thing's cargo, download the 742 and start flyng those routes!

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Posted onPost created on November 07 2008 17:50 ET by David Reimer

Will it be possible to add the 747's to the list of aircraft flown to get promoted to a 777 Captain? I see the A330's and A340 on the list, so why not the 747?

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Posted onPost created on November 07 2008 18:31 ET by John Kotsalis

you do get the 747 rating with the 777, at least that is how i got it

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Posted onPost created on November 07 2008 19:08 ET by Steven Glass

The 747 comes with the 777, Md-11, or L-1011

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Posted onPost created on November 07 2008 21:42 ET by Bryon Lee

and the DC-8

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