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Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | DVA2006 | Delta Air Lines A380

DVA6754
Captain, B737-800

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CR

465 legs, 1,236.3 hours
48 legs, 99.6 hours online
439 legs, 1,204.1 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 16 2009 18:17 ET by Jose Trejos

I'm just curious about.. would Delta Air Lines would ever own an A380 or a 787? And DVA in the fleet library?

Jose Trejos (DVA6754)

DVA5780
Captain, B737-800

Joined on April 08 2008
Century Club

Omaha, NE USA

144 legs, 371.7 hours
33 legs, 38.9 hours online
139 legs, 366.3 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 16 2009 18:21 ET by John Kotsalis

i believe that Delta is continuing from Northwest's 787 orders, but somebody correct me if im wrong.

i doubt that Delta would get an A380, because they might not be able to fill one up.

John Kotsalis (DVA5780)

DVA6824
Captain, B747-400
OLP

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Watlington, Norfolk GB

536 legs, 1,434.5 hours
315 legs, 538.9 hours online
525 legs, 1,402.4 hours ACARS
10 legs, 17.2 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 16 2009 19:59 ET by Gary Morris

Here's a question,

Why get an A380, when it won't even fit in your current Airport Hub?

Oh and i read that Delta is considering changing the 787 orders to 777 orders.

Gary Morris (DVA6824)

DVA3952
Captain, MD-88

Joined on September 07 2006
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary

"Airbus, Mcdonnell Douglas"
Chicago, IL USA

85 legs, 161.3 hours
51 legs, 106.0 hours online
77 legs, 141.3 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 16 2009 20:18 ET by Alex Jevdic

Looking at the dimensions, A380 can fit into most areas designed for a 747, plus its proven that most major airports can handle it like KJFK, KORD, KLAX, YSSY, EGLL, EDDM.............

Alex Jevdic (DVA3952)

Posted onPost created on April 16 2009 20:20 ET by Jose Trejos

yeah im with Alex... but I'm just asking... and I also doubt Delta is going to get an A380

Jose Trejos (DVA6754)

DVA1580
Captain, B767-300
COMM

Joined on March 16 2004
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Caryville, TN USA

199 legs, 476.5 hours
70 legs, 168.4 hours online
84 legs, 232.9 hours ACARS
4 legs, 10.4 hours event
27 legs dispatched, 71.5 hours

Posted onPost created on April 17 2009 09:35 ET by Scott Breuer

I dont think they will get the A380, as far as the 787 not sure, but am I corrent, dont we have the 787 in the fleet library already?

Scott Breuer (DVA1580)

DVA6659
Captain, B737-800

Joined on November 22 2008

"Long live the Jungle Jets"
Atlanta, GA USA

61 legs, 116.1 hours
58 legs, 111.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 17 2009 14:22 ET by Trevor Schmidt

Delta will not buy an A380.

Not only is the thing provably unreliable from a maintenance standpoint... but it looks goofy anyways and a Delta Paint would only make people laugh harder.

Trevor Schmidt (DVA6659)

DVA4098
Senior Captain, B777-200

Joined on November 13 2006
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Tampa, FL

2,536 legs, 6,445.0 hours
561 legs, 1,928.0 hours online
2,308 legs, 5,591.7 hours ACARS
12 legs, 48.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 17 2009 14:50 ET by Jonathan Lippstreu

Even if Delta doesn't get the A380, I believe we will still be able to fly the A380 at DVA because Korean Air and Air France have ordered A380's.

Jonathan Lippstreu

Senior Captain, B777-200

Posted onPost created on April 17 2009 20:28 ET by Alex Jevdic

"Not only is the thing provably unreliable from a maintenance standpoint" - How so? they had production problems, but they didn't go through heavy maintenance.

Alex Jevdic (DVA3952)

DVA4290
Senior Captain, CRJ-200

Joined on April 04 2007
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"Lightning coming out of that one"
Houston, TX USA

502 legs, 829.4 hours
340 legs, 575.5 hours online
421 legs, 683.7 hours ACARS
41 legs, 81.2 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 21 2009 18:24 ET by Andrew Lynn

"Oh and i read that Delta is considering changing the 787 orders to 777 orders."

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090403-708735.html

They will not be taking delivery of the first few 787s off the line that they were suppose to get. They turned out to be much too heavy and the range was reduced quite a bit. The 18 orders is still on the books and they will take them when the line gets rolling and the bugs are worked out.

"Looking at the dimensions, A380 can fit into most areas designed for a 747, plus its proven that most major airports can handle it like KJFK, KORD, KLAX, YSSY, EGLL, EDDM............."

But not in ATL, or T2 or T3 in JFK. It was said a couple years ago that Atlanta officials had no plans of redesigning gates of E or the taxiways to accommodate the the A380.

"Not only is the thing provably unreliable from a maintenance standpoint"

Where did you hear that from?

"How so? they had production problems, but they didn't go through heavy maintenance."

Right. And it won't see heavy maintenance for at least another 5-7 years.

Andrew Lynn

Senior Captain, CRJ-200

DVA5780
Captain, B737-800

Joined on April 08 2008
Century Club

Omaha, NE USA

144 legs, 371.7 hours
33 legs, 38.9 hours online
139 legs, 366.3 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 21 2009 19:05 ET by John Kotsalis

Trevor, i really dont think that the A380 would look too bad in a Delta paint.

I mean, everybody said that the A320 and other airbuses would look bad, but in my opinion they look great!

John Kotsalis (DVA5780)

Posted onPost created on April 22 2009 17:57 ET by Gary Morris

personally, and this is MY OPINION, i think the Airbus A380 looks out of proportion and just wrong.

But then again, i am a Boeing fanatic so that might sway my vote slightly.....

Gary Morris (DVA6824)

DVA5780
Captain, B737-800

Joined on April 08 2008
Century Club

Omaha, NE USA

144 legs, 371.7 hours
33 legs, 38.9 hours online
139 legs, 366.3 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 22 2009 18:31 ET by John Kotsalis

thats what i thought at first too, then i looked at it more and more, and now i love it!

i really wish Delta would get one. *sigh* but i know that it will never happen frown

DVA5544
Captain, A320

Joined on February 07 2008

"I'm at a 15° chin-up attitude."
Spiez, Bern Schweiz

34 legs, 58.3 hours
24 legs, 34.9 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 22 2009 22:33 ET by Alexander Kolb

Regarding A380 maintenence, I believe Trevor was trying to make the point that this aircraft isn't "Tried but True", like the 747-400s. For all we know an A380 might not have a maintenece problem until it's production halts, or they might all fall apart tomorrow.

As for my oppinion, I can't see Delta getting any A380s, however I can see them as a customer for the A350 and A360 aircraft.

Alexander Kolb

Captain, A320

DVA5601
Captain, B767-300

Joined on February 22 2008
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"Don't underestimate the wide-bodied"
Parkersburg, WV USA

414 legs, 724.4 hours
166 legs, 229.1 hours online
367 legs, 611.8 hours ACARS
4 legs, 7.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 22 2009 22:44 ET by Donovan Kelly

I knew once that Northwest had plans to buy the A380. I posted something along the lines of this in the General Aviation in the WC. To MY knowledge through the merger Delta removed all A380 orders, but kept the B787 and cut one or two maybe? I knew they took some off for 777LRs. And I'm sorry for saying this, but it seems to me some people are showing political views of A vs B. I like both and I do favor Boeing, but to me they are competitors just like phone companies, airlines, and really any other business out there! Let them beat each other and race each other and see what cool aircraft comes next! Sorry off topic... but yes so far B787 is a go, A380 not coming to the Delta fleet. WE MIGHT see it in the fleet library if Air France flies it codeshare with Delta so you never know how things will turn out until they do. Sorry if I made anyone mad with my assumption trying to just make sure that no A vs B arguements come to high and it seems this is just a little so I had to bump in and say something about it. I also agree with Gary that the A380 does look proportionately incorrect, and unstable. Sorry again.

Cheers!

Donovan Kelly (DVA5601)

DVA5225
Captain, CRJ-200

Joined on November 20 2007

"Nothing said I had to crash"
Florence, CO USA

99 legs, 199.9 hours
16 legs, 43.6 hours online
7 legs, 12.1 hours ACARS
3 legs, 7.3 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 22 2009 23:18 ET by Danny Wood

I thought that Delta had a gents agreement with Boeing. So i dont think they will be in the market for the A350 and A360 aircraft. In fact the only reson we have A320 are because of Northwest. And I am not saying I dont like airbus I think there great for there top of the line avionics. I think i am more of a boeing guy tho.

Danny Wood (DVA5225)

DVA1651
Senior Captain, MD-11

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Nashville, TN

879 legs, 3,275.4 hours
436 legs, 1,621.5 hours online
626 legs, 2,413.4 hours ACARS
28 legs, 89.5 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 23 2009 00:11 ET by James Marshall

Yes, Danny, you are correct. Delta won't BUY any Airbus' any time in the near future because of their agreement with Boeing. However, they have AQUIRED numerous Airbus' from the merger, and it would be my guess that overtime they will retire the entire Airbus fleet.

James Marshall

Senior Captain, MD-11

DVA6659
Captain, B737-800

Joined on November 22 2008

"Long live the Jungle Jets"
Atlanta, GA USA

61 legs, 116.1 hours
58 legs, 111.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 23 2009 01:04 ET by Trevor Schmidt

"Regarding A380 maintenence, I believe Trevor was trying to make the point that this aircraft isn't "Tried but True"

Thank you.

And it will never be "tried and true", because only a handful of airports can even handle the thing, and it is a HUGE risk for any airline purchasing it.
I think the A380 will end up being used for mainly military cargo.

Trevor Schmidt (DVA6659)

DVA6626
Captain, MD-11

Joined on November 07 2008
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""PROFILE CLIMB""
Las Vegas, NV

753 legs, 2,288.9 hours
28 legs, 55.2 hours online
747 legs, 2,255.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 23 2009 03:17 ET by Michael Pare

i agree with Boeing, and don't see the A380 being a huge money maker, but I could be wrong, in this economic environment the A380 stands to get parked.

Michael Pare (DVA6626)

DVA5947
Captain, B777-200
E-MAIL

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Marshall, MN USA

574 legs, 2,693.6 hours
499 legs, 2,397.0 hours online
516 legs, 2,271.3 hours ACARS
5 legs, 22.2 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 23 2009 18:11 ET by Alex Deutz

well like what jonathon said.... "Air france AND Korean airlines have orders for the 380"

so we might get to fly it for dva

Posted onPost created on April 23 2009 20:09 ET by Andrew Lynn

Don't know anything about NW ever placing orders for the A380. Looked at them, probably but nothing beyond that so there's nothing that Delta could have removed.

And in regards to the 787, DL didn't cancel any orders. The same #of LRs that they committed to pre-merger is what's still on the books. No 787 orders were converted to 77Ls.

And again, contrary to popular belief, the Airbuses are here to stay for the foreseeable future. DL stated in their web cast just this past week their intentions of grounding about 40 mainline a/c in the DL/NW system through the end of 2009. They mentioned specifically all 742s, the 757, MD88 and the DC9.

I', sorry but I just have to sit back and wonder about the whole maintenance thing. Looking back at the CRJ (200) which was the best selling a/c in Bombardier's history, it wasn't until years down the road that the thing had many, many issues. From the flap problems (CR2s have to rest in the first flap position on the ground because of this), the constant APU issues, tendency of gear lube to congeal because of the way the entire system was designed. Most have been fixed but this just goes to show that just because an a/c is "high production" and can fly anywhere won't make it immune. The A380 is a very capable a/c and it's customers don't seem think they made a risky move.

Personally, I'm bias to Boeing but an a/c is an a/c and I find the A380 to have it's place.

Andrew Lynn

Senior Captain, CRJ-200

DVA2018
Chief Pilot, ERJ-170
OLP, 737-ATP

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Ralston, NE

12,006 legs, 27,018.0 hours
3,951 legs, 7,571.5 hours online
10,764 legs, 22,424.4 hours ACARS
4 legs, 10.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on May 08 2009 13:48 ET by Matthew Whitaker

The agreement with Boeing will prohibit Delta from ordering any Airbuses. The thing I'm waiting to see with this merger is exactly what Delta will keep in regards to aircraft. I was highly suspicous of the merge on the fact that Delta and Northwest have such a varety of aircraft, which is good for us here, but real world has to be a maintenance and human resources nightmare. I do believe that the 320s will probably be around for quite some time, atleast until they can start retraining the aircrews into other a/cs.
With the A380, its a unproven system, but then again, so is every new aircraft. So far the A380, despite its production issues, which is normal with any complex aircraft, the 787 is behind schedule now as well, has shown to be doing quite well. Whether issue will show up in the future noone knows. I also am a big boeing fan, but the airbus's are not that bad either. And its actually healthy for there to be competition, because if there wasn't, the quality of new aircraft wouldn't be that good.

Matthew Whitaker

Chief Pilot, ERJ-170

Posted onPost created on May 08 2009 14:23 ET by Danny Wood

{Dead thread} But I aggre with you Matt.

Danny Wood (DVA5225)

DVA5919
Captain, MD-11

Joined on May 13 2008
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"...and don't call me Shirley"
Hillsboro, OR USA

507 legs, 1,438.9 hours
4 legs, 3.7 hours online
506 legs, 1,436.4 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on May 08 2009 18:15 ET by Jack Vogel

I was kinda anxious for this at one point so I could fly the Wilco A380,
which like a sucker I bought frown

Its a bug-infested, half-baked, piece of
eye candy, try to seriously fly it and that quickly becomes evident.

So, anyone that's tempted, don't waste your money!!

Jack Vogel

Captain, MD-11

DVA4694
Captain, B777-200

Joined on July 09 2007
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Kingston, Kingston Parish Jamaica

676 legs, 2,552.8 hours
28 legs, 80.8 hours online
652 legs, 2,497.3 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on June 01 2009 19:29 ET by Kevin Beaton

Take a look at this:
http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00011542

I think a Delta A380 would look nice. smile

Kevin Beaton

Captain, B777-200

DVA4890
Captain, B747-400
OLP

Joined on August 22 2007
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"Jesus is my co-pilot"
McDonough, GA USA

1,022 legs, 3,005.6 hours
330 legs, 1,101.7 hours online
948 legs, 2,807.1 hours ACARS
59 legs, 156.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 01 2009 21:48 ET by Mark Fetters

"But not in ATL, or T2 or T3 in JFK. It was said a couple years ago that Atlanta officials had no plans of redesigning gates of E or the taxiways to accommodate the the A380. "

I do belive now that Atlanta will try and have a spot for the A380 and the new terminal that is being built

Mark Fetters (DVA4890)

DVA6959
Captain, B767-300

Joined on February 02 2009

Western United States

94 legs, 290.4 hours
89 legs, 281.7 hours online
89 legs, 274.5 hours ACARS
6 legs, 12.6 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 01 2009 22:28 ET by Matt Wang

I really doubt that the A380 would be good for Atlanta. Those small row-by-row terminals will be filled with 500+ passengers at one gate.

Matt Wang

Captain, B767-300

Posted onPost created on June 01 2009 23:53 ET by Michael Pare

I could imagine what a logistical nightmare that could become for a gate that is not set up for it.

Michael Pare (DVA6626)

Posted onPost created on June 02 2009 00:15 ET by Andrew Lynn

"I do belive now that Atlanta will try and have a spot for the A380 and the new terminal that is being built"

Yes, I saw an aticle about that also in the AJC a while ago. There will be a few gates spaced correctly to accomodate the A380 and the taxiways leading to and away from the terminal will be wider and of a different rating to accomodate the weight. Ramp and parking spaces will also recieve an upgrade. No plans for E though. Of course, this is all contingient on whenever they decide to complete said terminal biggrin

.

"I really doubt that the A380 would be good for Atlanta. Those small row-by-row terminals will be filled with 500+ passengers at one gate."

"I could imagine what a logistical nightmare that could become for a gate that is not set up for it."

They will only be able to park in the few desginated gates so should be no issues. For all we know though, ATL may never see the A380.

Andrew Lynn

Senior Captain, CRJ-200

DVA5857
Captain, B767-300

Joined on April 23 2008
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Northeastern United States

515 legs, 1,054.0 hours
502 legs, 1,022.2 hours online
513 legs, 1,050.8 hours ACARS
15 legs, 33.0 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 02 2009 00:42 ET by Chuck Angle

I thought it wasn't only the terminal layout but the taxiway issue. The increased wingspan of the A380 violates the FAA's safety requirement for seperation from runways and other taxiways at most US airports.

Chuck Angle

Captain, B767-300

DVA6863
Captain, MD-11
OLP

Joined on December 29 2008
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Nashua, NH

1,085 legs, 2,955.0 hours
76 legs, 215.8 hours online
1,062 legs, 2,896.3 hours ACARS
5 legs, 13.2 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 05 2009 00:07 ET by Dylan Dworsky

I would like to mention that nwa had no plans to purchase an a380 even though they can come in and out of msp. the airbus execs came to msp in their a380 to try to get nwa to purchase a few but they never did.

Dylan Dworsky

Captain, MD-11

DVA3355
Senior Captain, B777-200

Joined on July 19 2006
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"guiding you home..."
Denver, CO USA

1,959 legs, 8,711.6 hours
181 legs, 715.0 hours online
1,891 legs, 8,382.8 hours ACARS
18 legs, 67.1 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 12 2009 14:10 ET by Daniel Hodnik

if they need the added load capacity they will get the a380 - plain and simple.

it has nothing to do with how it looks in a delta paint or being 'tried and true'.

Daniel Hodnik (DVA3355)

DVA1038
Captain, B737-800
E-MAIL

Joined on January 12 2003
Century Club

"Celer, Silens, Mortalis"
Summerville, SC USA

169 legs, 1,008.2 hours
56 legs, 288.5 hours online
25 legs, 221.2 hours ACARS
1 legs, 5.0 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 12 2009 18:37 ET by Kevin Cornish

As I've said b4 in the cooler, I work on the 787 at Global in Charleston, SC. At this time, Delta has delayed delivery of all 787s ordered by NWA due to weight problems (as has been mentioned earlier in the post). The 87 is over 10k# overweight right now. Boeing estimates that the weight issues will be resolved by airframe num 20. We are shipping num 7 this weekend and it is lighter than the first 6, but still overweight.

Kevin Cornish

Captain, B737-800

DVA5656
Captain, B757-200

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"||||"
Atlanta, GA USA

1,428 legs, 4,795.2 hours
629 legs, 2,134.7 hours online
1,316 legs, 4,471.3 hours ACARS
13 legs, 27.6 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 12 2009 23:54 ET by Alex Dean

"I do belive now that Atlanta will try and have a spot for the A380 and the new terminal that is being built"

Mark, what new Terminal??

Alex Dean

Captain, B757-200

DVA7130
Senior Captain, B727-200
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Tyrone, GA USA

846 legs, 1,482.4 hours
814 legs, 1,429.8 hours online
818 legs, 1,443.2 hours ACARS
178 legs, 322.6 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 22 2009 12:06 ET by Ryan Morse

to the large dementions of the a380, there was the same conceren for the 747 when it came out. To delta geting the new airbus highly improbable, laughable even no need for that many pass. on one flight. 787, we have bought the 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and the 777 what will keep us from geting 787s' ?

Ryan Morse (DVA7130)

Posted onPost created on June 22 2009 15:12 ET by Kevin Cornish

Nothings keeping Delta from getting 787s. They have 18 on firm order and options for 50 more. They've just delayed del. until the weight is closer to what Boeing promised.

Kevin Cornish

Captain, B737-800

DVA7411
Captain, CRJ-200

Joined on June 12 2009

Southeastern United States

Posted onPost created on July 14 2009 06:03 ET by Charles Cross

Alright
1) 787- The first two Aircraft L/N 0003 and 0004(number 3 and 4) were NWA aircraft. Delta will NOT be taking these two birds but did NOT change the order. The rest of the orders are post L/N 0020 which (20 and under) are the "fat" 787s. IIRC the next NW bird was number 21. At this time no orders have been changed to 777s. They will likely keep the 787 orders and just use the 27 options they have to get more 777s. At this point Delta can have 29(27 options 2 orders) new 777s by the end of 2012 I believe it is. Once the economy gets better They will likely go after more 787,777 and 737s. Short term they only adds will be more M90s and the aircraft on order. Next yer Delta will take 3 M90s 3 73Gs 2 73Hs and 2 777s.
2) A380- The whale is to big for Delta. the 744 is to big for Delta. Talk is right now 4 of the 16 744s will be pulled for PAXs opps and will be useds as spares and replacements for the 2 742s that are doing charters. The largest Delta will go is 77W but its more likely 77Ls will replace 744s. At this point Delta is trying to get past this econmoy and the way to do it is with less ASMs. They are Also trying to park as many 50 seaters as they can. A380s wont happen for Delta.......77W is a long shot IMO.
3) ATL and the 380.- Atlanta asked DL,KE,AF is they were planning on bringing the 380 into Atlanta. The answer was no. The City (unless it has changed) is not adding A380 gates in Atlanta. Now IIRC some gates at F will be able to take the 380 space wise but will have to have mods done for the whale. A A380 "can" use any gate a 744 can but only in case of emergency. Also No Delta gates will be A380 gates. In LAX T5/6 only goes up to 744, same for MSP,DTW,JFK and ATL. SLC,CVG, and MEM are IIRC 777 only (if that). I believe all A380s MUST have two jetways per the FAA.
Lastly 4) the agreement with Boeing. Said agreement was not only the only buy Boeing planes. Delta, CO and AA agreed to buy a set number of planes from B and B would give them first hand pick of slots, hold slots in each line(note how early AAs 787s are coming yet they ordered so late) But they could only buy from Boeing. Now when B bought MD the EU made the 4 pull this part of the agreement. DL,CO,AA still have the contracts in place for X number of planes and slots till 2025. IIRC it was around 500 aircraft per. I believe Delta has around 250 slots left. (they ordered all 737NGs a good bit of 757s 763ERs all 764s and all 777s as part of said agreement) This is the reason DL will keep going back to B. IMO DL will go with Boeing for 744, 767, 757 and M80/32S/737 replacements with Boeing. Also Talk is Delta is pushing Boeing for a smaller 736 as a 100 seater.

good day

Charles Cross

Captain, CRJ-200

DVA4629
Captain, A350-900

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Helmstedt, Niedersachsen Germany

386 legs, 2,193.8 hours
298 legs, 1,805.0 hours online
369 legs, 2,106.6 hours ACARS
1 legs, 9.3 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 14 2009 08:46 ET by Christian Franke

Hi,

what's wrong with you guys, asks the Euroman. smile

The A380 is one of the most sophisticated aircrafts you can buy for money. Furthermore the capacity exceeds everything I've heard of. Thus, in my opinion, it is just a matter of taste.
I love my B767-300ER and wouldn't trade but don't judge the A380 only by its appearance. How do you feel about giving more leg space to ECO-passengers and still have a positiv outcome (Dollar) of your flight. Hence I expect A380 enhancing passenger comfort. Remember, there is a Spa in the A380 1st class and seperate compartments. Moreover these A380 have may have their own lounges. All in all, I'm looking positively towards Lufthansas A380s (I'm German).

Cheers Chris

Christian Franke

Captain, A350-900

Posted onPost created on July 14 2009 13:35 ET by Alex Jevdic

Yea I can't wait to see Lufthansa A380 overfly my house on its way to ORD.

Alex Jevdic (DVA3952)

Posted onPost created on July 14 2009 14:35 ET by Dylan Dworsky

"A A380 "can" use any gate a 744 can but only in case of emergency. Also No Delta gates will be A380 gates. In LAX T5/6 only goes up to 744, same for MSP,DTW,JFK and ATL. SLC,CVG, and MEM are IIRC 777 only (if that). I believe all A380s MUST have two jetways per the FAA."

The A380 came to MSP to try and tempt the NWA execs into purchasing. Concourses F and G at the Lindberg terminal @ MSP regularly host 1-2 744s a day and the gates are big enough that if need be a second jetway can be added. Also even the smaller 10 gate Humphrey terminal @ MSP has room for TWO A380s or 747s side-by-side.

Regards,

Dylan Dworsky

Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on July 15 2009 04:07 ET by Christian Franke

Well, I can add Frankfurt (EDDF) to the list. Until today there is only one regular gate for the A380 available. It is E9, the former US-Airways gate. Haven't heard whether they will change the B-Terminal soon.

Christian Franke

Captain, A350-900

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Joined on June 12 2009

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Posted onPost created on July 15 2009 23:47 ET by Charles Cross

Dylan, the A380's wings are 261ft 10in long. The 744s wings are 211ft and 5in long. Just because a gate can take a 744 does NOT mean it can take a 380. Most gates that can take the 380 it will close the next gate(s). LAX sees many many 744s a day yet only will have 3 A380 gates. 2 on TBIT one on T2. Same for JFK many 744 on a handfull of 380 gates.

Charles Cross

Captain, CRJ-200

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2009 00:27 ET by Patrick Thomas

I dont think Delta will seriously consider using the A380 for revenue flights in the prolonged immediate future, but thats just my two cents worth. Who knows!?

Posted onPost created on July 17 2009 17:32 ET by Jonathan Lippstreu

I just saw the 3rd A380 for Air France on a.net. I wonder when checkrides will be available to fly the aircraft.

Jonathan Lippstreu

Senior Captain, B777-200

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Joined on February 22 2007

"In Christ Alone!"
Jacksonville, FL USA

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Posted onPost created on July 17 2009 22:23 ET by Patrick Thomas

Me to Jon?

DVA3498
Captain, B777-200

Joined on August 28 2006

Western United States

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Posted onPost created on August 02 2009 23:36 ET by William Brynjolfsson

delta wont gert the 380 because they find twin jets more economical, the only reaon they have 74's is because of the northwest merger, rememberthey got rid of there 747-1, and 200's. my bet is that delta wont keep them for long. that being said, if delta finds the 747-400 better they might be intrested in the 747-8I or mabye the a380, byt i think the a380 is a long time away for delta, and even a longer shot.

William Brynjolfsson

Captain, B777-200

Posted onPost created on August 03 2009 00:26 ET by Danny Wood

{Dead Thread}

Danny Wood (DVA5225)

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Sacramento, CA USA

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Posted onPost created on August 03 2009 10:50 ET by Daniel Haro

Well I agree with all of you, doubt Delta would get the A380.
Speaking of the 787, we need an updated version.

I read that POSKY is working on a 787 and is waiting until the first flight of the real 787 to release the FS version.

Pictures of their work below:

http://forum.projectopensky.com/index.php?showtopic=34107

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200

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First Officer, B767-300

Joined on November 03 2008
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Southeastern United States

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Posted onPost created on August 03 2009 11:05 ET by Mike Holmes

Perhaps a little off-topic, but this seems as good a place as any to mention this... There is one thing that concerns me greatly about the capacity of the A380 and that is the first time one crashes. I don't want to sound morbid or like the Grim Reaper, but logically speaking, sooner or later a 380 will crash with the loss of all pax and crew. Considering the tremendous load capacity of the aircraft, that is going to be a tremendous loss of life.

Don't get me wrong: any fatal crash is a tragedy and the loss of, say, a 767 or A330 is not any less a tragedy because "only" 200 or 300 people died. But imagine for a moment that the Air France flight from Brazil that disappeared over the Atlantic had been an A380 with 600 or 700 people on board.

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Posted onPost created on August 03 2009 13:25 ET by Nicholas Taylor

Mike, I hope the A380 has a crash record like the A330, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Air France A330 crash was the first A330 crash in which everyone was killed, infact, I think it was the only A330 crash in which there were fatalities of passengers.

I was wrong - The 1994 A330 test flight crash occurred on 30 June 1994 when an Airbus A330-300, registration F-WWKH, crashed at Toulouse-Blagnac Airport while undergoing performance tests. It was the first fatal accident involving an Airbus A330 and the first in which an Airbus 330 was lost. It remained the only fatal accident involving an A330 until Air France Flight 447 crashed on 1 June 2009 with 228 fatalities.

Nicholas Taylor

Captain, B757-200

Posted onPost created on August 03 2009 14:25 ET by Mike Holmes

You are correct, Nicholas, that the only fatal incidents were the test flight in 1994 and the recent Air France 447 disaster. Also in the 330's favor, it is the type aircraft involved in the Air Transat 236 incident where the plane glided 65 miles to the Azores - although that incident is more likely a testament to the skills of the pilots than of the airplane itself.

I, too, hope that the 380 has the excellent safety record of its smaller brother. My concern is that a fatal crash may well eclipse the death toll from Japan Airlines 123 that killed more than 500 passengers and crew.

Mike Holmes

First Officer, B767-300

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Joined on August 28 2006

Western United States

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Posted onPost created on August 04 2009 13:42 ET by William Brynjolfsson

not to be pesimistic i would say there woul be a crash of an a380, with 500 pepole on board.

William Brynjolfsson

Captain, B777-200

Posted onPost created on August 04 2009 15:10 ET by Alex Jevdic

Every airplane type will crash, its only a matter of time.

Alex Jevdic (DVA3952)

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