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DVA7167
Captain, B737-800
Joined on April 03 2009
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"My other way to school is a 737."
Southeastern United States
43 legs, 67.2 hours
39 legs,
63.1 hours online
41 legs,
65.2 hours ACARS
2 legs,
5.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 00:38 ET by Brian Meyers
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THis is proof of the landing rate of 1 feet/minute. NOTE: i DIDNT bounce OR about to touch the runway than float back up. i just slowly pressed down on the runway.
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DVA7167
Captain, B737-800
Joined on April 03 2009
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"My other way to school is a 737."
Southeastern United States
43 legs, 67.2 hours
39 legs,
63.1 hours online
41 legs,
65.2 hours ACARS
2 legs,
5.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 00:38 ET by Brian Meyers
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you can barely see it at the top but its there
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DVA6659
Captain, B737-800
Joined on November 22 2008
"Long live the Jungle Jets"
Atlanta, GA USA
61 legs, 116.1 hours
58 legs,
111.7 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 00:48 ET by Trevor Schmidt
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I still don't believe its true.
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DVA5225
Captain, CRJ-200
Joined on November 20 2007
"Nothing said I had to crash"
Florence, CO USA
99 legs, 199.9 hours
16 legs,
43.6 hours online
7 legs,
12.1 hours ACARS
3 legs,
7.3 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 00:49 ET by Danny Wood
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Its an ACARS glich.
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DVA6424
Captain, CRJ-200
E-MAIL
Joined on September 20 2008
Quatercentenary Club
"I dont believe in a no-win scenario""
Midwestern United States
464 legs, 621.1 hours
256 legs,
256.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 02:23 ET by David Digney
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Yes,its an ACARS glitch...I scored a 0-feet/minute....it actually came out to -4 ft/minute....so yours is actually -5 feet/minute...
Nice Try,but no cigar!
David DigneyCaptain, CRJ-200
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DVA4491
Senior Captain, MD-11
E-MAIL
Joined on May 22 2007
Quincentenary Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
"You dun goof'd!"
Lexington-Fayette, KY USA
592 legs, 1,474.8 hours
482 legs,
1,334.7 hours online
455 legs,
1,163.5 hours ACARS
11 legs,
33.0 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 02:24 ET by Weston Woodward
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ACARS data says otherwise http://www.deltava.org/pirep.do?id=0x6171b 
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DVA6424
Captain, CRJ-200
E-MAIL
Joined on September 20 2008
Quatercentenary Club
"I dont believe in a no-win scenario""
Midwestern United States
464 legs, 621.1 hours
256 legs,
256.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 02:28 ET by David Digney
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Nawwwwwwwww...its a glitch. I was told so on mine by Luke.
Most of my landings are in the -100 to-300,which is still good...
But he's not bad...for a F/O
David DigneyCaptain, CRJ-200
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DVA2025
Senior Captain, MD-11
Joined on November 27 2004
50 State Club
Quatercentenary Club
USA
453 legs, 1,458.2 hours
44 legs,
128.1 hours online
407 legs,
1,364.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 04:03 ET by Noah Bryant
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| not a bounce, yet wont show us what's above it...hmmm
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DVA4491
Senior Captain, MD-11
E-MAIL
Joined on May 22 2007
Quincentenary Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
"You dun goof'd!"
Lexington-Fayette, KY USA
592 legs, 1,474.8 hours
482 legs,
1,334.7 hours online
455 legs,
1,163.5 hours ACARS
11 legs,
33.0 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 09:06 ET by Weston Woodward
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Noah, if you look at the ACARS data I posted, it shows -1fpm. :-/
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DVA1583
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on March 23 2004
Everett 250 Club
Online Six Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Seven Century Club
South America
710 legs, 1,938.2 hours
619 legs,
1,760.2 hours online
589 legs,
1,630.3 hours ACARS
16 legs,
61.2 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 09:48 ET by Charly Azcue
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Touchdown was at -92 fpm, then a slighty bounce 1 fpm up then final touchdown at -3 fpm ... -92 fpm it's excellent.
Weston, can you slowdown the animation of that sig please ? I'm trying to read what you posted but honestly is hard to the eyes with that sig.
Regards
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DVA3535
Senior Captain, B737-800
OLP
Joined on September 10 2006
US Coastal Club
Million Mile Club
Flying Colonel
Safari Club
50 State Club
Online Fifteen Century
Northeastern United States
1,959 legs, 3,746.6 hours
1,560 legs,
2,931.2 hours online
1,946 legs,
3,720.6 hours ACARS
7 legs,
12.2 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 11:25 ET by Clarke Duarte
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Hey Weston,
That's a great sig with the effects. I sat here and got flicker vertigo and fell out of my chair........lol 
Clarke DuarteSenior Captain, B737-800
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DVA3196
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP, COMM
Joined on June 03 2006
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
Six Century Club
"pitchpowertrim.com"
Anderson, MO
619 legs, 1,093.4 hours
292 legs,
503.1 hours online
580 legs,
1,026.5 hours ACARS
89 legs,
191.0 hours event
236 legs dispatched, 110.1
hours
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 11:56 ET by Michael Brown
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I'm not impressed with those type of landings ... unless your a 172 doing a soft field landing.
You do not want to land like that in real life...but in the game its fun to try.
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DVA2025
Senior Captain, MD-11
Joined on November 27 2004
50 State Club
Quatercentenary Club
USA
453 legs, 1,458.2 hours
44 legs,
128.1 hours online
407 legs,
1,364.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 12:03 ET by Noah Bryant
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Ok what ever you say weston, just dont say anything else the sig gives me a headache
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DVA484
First Officer, B777-200
Joined on June 01 2002
Online Century Club
Double Century Club
50 State Club
"Give more than you take "
Mobile, AL
293 legs, 479.0 hours
166 legs,
285.8 hours online
117 legs,
164.2 hours ACARS
16 legs,
29.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 13:11 ET by Michael Bryant
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I dont understand the deal behind -1ft a min landings. Am I missing something here.
I mean is it just to say you can do it ? Most every airliner Ive seen land is definately more than
-1ft a min. Most all mine are around 100-200 range and some depends on a/c are more.
If Im correct and some one correct if Im wrong on this, but if your landing at only
-1ft a min then you really arent even flaring at all on landing. I agree with what someone
else said above. That all sounds great if your in a cessna and even then Im not convinced thats
appropriate.
Im not trying to bust anyones bubble here so dont get me wrong please. I just wanna understand
the big deal on the -1/-2 ft landing.
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DVA1763
Senior Captain, B757-200
Joined on June 29 2004
Everett 250 Club
Online Six Century Club
Seven Century Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Oklahoma City, OK
723 legs, 2,015.0 hours
645 legs,
1,824.0 hours online
585 legs,
1,608.7 hours ACARS
10 legs,
44.8 hours event
740 legs, 2,044.9 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 13:24 ET by Steve Pickle
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There is no big deal, Michael. It's actually a dangerous touchdown. You're correct, a -100 to -300 FPM landing is much better than a -1 FPM landing.
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DVA484
First Officer, B777-200
Joined on June 01 2002
Online Century Club
Double Century Club
50 State Club
"Give more than you take "
Mobile, AL
293 legs, 479.0 hours
166 legs,
285.8 hours online
117 legs,
164.2 hours ACARS
16 legs,
29.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 14:14 ET by Michael Bryant
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Ok Steve, I was just wondering. I was reading an article a few minutes ago about a 737 landing
around 400 fpm. That sounded a little more realistic to me. And that maybe a little much even
not sure. As i said before not trying to pop anyones bubble and i wasnt trying to take any thing away
from Brains accomplishment either.
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DVA5204
Captain, MD-11
Joined on November 11 2007
Century Club
"Aviate, Navigate, Communicate."
Southeastern United States
113 legs, 494.9 hours
109 legs,
485.4 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 14:44 ET by Nathan Harwood
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Perfecting our landing skills is always a good thing but a 1 fpm landing (+/- whatever) means you floated and got lucky... That being said I'd be happy to have one in my log book! 
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DVA484
First Officer, B777-200
Joined on June 01 2002
Online Century Club
Double Century Club
50 State Club
"Give more than you take "
Mobile, AL
293 legs, 479.0 hours
166 legs,
285.8 hours online
117 legs,
164.2 hours ACARS
16 legs,
29.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 15:48 ET by Michael Bryant
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Just curious has anyone made a video that can be seen of one of those landings ?
Im not doubting its done I just wanna see what your doing.
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DVA7167
Captain, B737-800
Joined on April 03 2009
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"My other way to school is a 737."
Southeastern United States
43 legs, 67.2 hours
39 legs,
63.1 hours online
41 legs,
65.2 hours ACARS
2 legs,
5.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 25 2009 20:16 ET by Brian Meyers
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anyone that said that a -100 to -300 is a good landing is NOT not right. (in other words they are correct LOL) i just wanted to see peoples reactions to this really. if you get a -1 than something is wrong. either you floated or like i said about to touch than floated back up.
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DVA7226
First Officer, B737-800
Joined on April 08 2009
Fortitude Valley, QLD AU
4 legs, 4.1 hours
2 legs,
2.1 hours online
4 legs,
4.1 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 26 2009 10:04 ET by Skip Fulton
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Boeing Flight Crew Training Manual (both B737NG and B777) states the following:
Touchdown Body Attitudes: Flaps 30, Forward CG Limit, -150 fpm at Touchdown, Sea Level Standard Day.. then shows a graph depicting the pitch attitude for given weights/speeds
Note: A smooth touchdown is not the criterion for a safe landing.
That being said, if conditions are dry and you have a long runway, there's nothing better than doing a greaser. I think my best is about -22fpm that I can remember (no evidence though)
Skip FultonFirst Officer, B737-800
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DVA1583
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on March 23 2004
Everett 250 Club
Online Six Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Seven Century Club
South America
710 legs, 1,938.2 hours
619 legs,
1,760.2 hours online
589 legs,
1,630.3 hours ACARS
16 legs,
61.2 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 26 2009 10:48 ET by Charly Azcue
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Sure is fun to do it but keep in mind the FCTM (Flight Crew Training Manual) also states:
- Do NOT allow the airplane to float, fly the airplane onto the runway.
- Do NOT attempt to extend the flare by increasing pitch attitude in an attempt to achieve a perfectly smooth touchdown.
- Floating above the runway before touchdown must be avoided.
- Flare only enough to achieve acceptable reduction in the rate of descent.
- Floating just above the runway surface to deplete additional speed wastes available runway and increases the possibility of a tailstrike.
- Do NOT risk touchdown beyond the normal touchdown zone in an effort to achieve a smooth landing.
Regards
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DVA1427
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on December 14 2003
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
Tri-Jet Triumph
Globetrotter
Moose Club
US Capital Club
Everett 250 Club
Quincentenary Club
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"Livin' in the Dog Pound!"
Kannapolis, NC
558 legs, 1,984.3 hours
250 legs,
611.8 hours online
384 legs,
1,530.5 hours ACARS
38 legs,
82.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 26 2009 19:11 ET by Lewis Gregory
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-200 fpm on the blocks is better than -50 fpm halfway down the runway. Every. Single. Time.
That having been said, if you stick -50 fpm on the blocks consistently, I salute you, because you're a better pilot than I am. 
Lewis GregorySenior Captain, MD-11
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DVA4290
Senior Captain, CRJ-200
Joined on April 04 2007
50 State Club
Online Triple Century Club
Quincentenary Club
"Lightning coming out of that one"
Houston, TX USA
502 legs, 829.4 hours
340 legs,
575.5 hours online
421 legs,
683.7 hours ACARS
41 legs,
81.2 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 26 2009 20:30 ET by Andrew Lynn
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I think some are looking into this too much. I don't know about anyone else but for me, the the FPS is simply a novelty. Nothing more. Yes, I find it cool that I'll get my name on the greasers board, and yes, I know that RW it is very dangerous. I will say though that I don't do it on purpose. If it happens it happens. I shoot for Vref and my approach pitch on final. Stay on the ball and keep those cross hairs/command bars within range and you should be fine...
Andrew LynnSenior Captain, CRJ-200
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DVA2564
Captain, MD-88
Joined on September 09 2005
Triple Century Club
Online Triple Century Club
Knoxville, TN USA
386 legs, 832.1 hours
361 legs,
767.2 hours online
379 legs,
801.0 hours ACARS
4 legs,
8.1 hours event
0 legs dispatched, 13.6
hours
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Posted onPost created on
April 09 2010 09:56 ET by Terry Kocher
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Landing stats page is where everyone needs to shoot for. In order to be on the page you have to be consistent. Fly it onto the runway and know the feel of your plane. You'll get soft landings on the threshold almost every time.
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DVA7789
Senior Captain, B767-300
OLP
Joined on October 04 2009
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
Triple Century Club
"Shoot for the Stars."
Orlando, FL USA
309 legs, 914.3 hours
253 legs,
696.6 hours online
301 legs,
882.5 hours ACARS
44 legs,
98.8 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 09 2010 10:04 ET by Miguel Villamizar
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if you go here http://www.deltava.org/landings.do and search for the 737-800 landing there it is
Miguel VillamizarSenior Captain, B767-300
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DVA1690
Senior Captain, MD-88
OLP
Joined on May 05 2004
50 State Club
Quatercentenary Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
Stage 1 Jet Double Century Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
"Life begins at Vr"
Longmont, CO USA
476 legs, 699.4 hours
467 legs,
685.6 hours online
254 legs,
389.4 hours ACARS
3 legs,
3.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 09 2010 10:15 ET by Trevor Bair
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Holy Lazarus, Batman!
Trevor BairSenior Captain, MD-88
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DVA8025
Captain, MD-11
Joined on November 26 2009
Online Century Club
Double Century Club
"DicAir no movie no meal no problem"
Pickering, ON Canada
214 legs, 303.9 hours
127 legs,
171.2 hours online
212 legs,
301.7 hours ACARS
3 legs,
5.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 09 2010 14:09 ET by Dixon Hurst
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As long as pax(aka ballast) are not asking if you were shot down, you can be happy with the landing.
Dixon HurstCaptain, MD-11
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DVA7956
Captain, A320
OLP
Joined on November 05 2009
50 State Club
Event Half Century Club
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Quatercentenary Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
"Swing on a star"
Manassas, VA USA
478 legs, 905.6 hours
259 legs,
494.7 hours online
473 legs,
893.0 hours ACARS
70 legs,
123.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 09 2010 19:13 ET by Scott Bradley
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Should have a best lander category, not landing. List the people that have 50 or more continuous landings with an average fpm between -100 and -200. Then rank them by standard deviation - smallest standard deviation ranks first. Those guys are probably the best landers and worthy of a 5th stripe (I'll also bet they have good landing-past-threshold numbers too.) I wouldnt' qualify - btw. Is lander a word?
Scott BradleyCaptain, A320
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DVA8025
Captain, MD-11
Joined on November 26 2009
Online Century Club
Double Century Club
"DicAir no movie no meal no problem"
Pickering, ON Canada
214 legs, 303.9 hours
127 legs,
171.2 hours online
212 legs,
301.7 hours ACARS
3 legs,
5.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 09 2010 20:23 ET by Dixon Hurst
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Hey. There is no "g" number by the landing speed shown.
Everybody bounce...bounce...bounce.
Dixon HurstCaptain, MD-11
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DVA3196
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP, COMM
Joined on June 03 2006
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
Six Century Club
"pitchpowertrim.com"
Anderson, MO
619 legs, 1,093.4 hours
292 legs,
503.1 hours online
580 legs,
1,026.5 hours ACARS
89 legs,
191.0 hours event
236 legs dispatched, 110.1
hours
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Posted onPost created on
April 09 2010 20:59 ET by Michael Brown
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Brian Meyers wrote:
THis is proof of the landing rate of 1 feet/minute. NOTE: i DIDNT bounce OR about to touch the runway than float back up. i just slowly pressed down on the runway.
You guys get WAY too carried away with these type of landings. A 200ft/min landing is just fine. If you really performed a 1ft/min landing then you did something out of the norm.
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DVA3710
Senior Captain, DC-6
OLP, COMM
Joined on November 12 2006
B757 100 Club
50 State Club
Quatercentenary Club
Piston Prop 100 Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"God is my pilot. I'm just the First Officer."
Apopka, FL
432 legs, 690.6 hours
35 legs,
60.8 hours online
385 legs,
620.1 hours ACARS
6 legs,
7.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 09 2010 21:10 ET by Sid Dudley
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Dixon Hurst wrote:
Hey. There is no "g" number by the landing speed shown.
Everybody bounce...bounce...bounce.
Good observation, Dixon, but ACARS did not report G force on landing a year ago when this thread was originally started.
Sid DudleySenior Captain, DC-6
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DVA3196
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP, COMM
Joined on June 03 2006
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
Six Century Club
"pitchpowertrim.com"
Anderson, MO
619 legs, 1,093.4 hours
292 legs,
503.1 hours online
580 legs,
1,026.5 hours ACARS
89 legs,
191.0 hours event
236 legs dispatched, 110.1
hours
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Posted onPost created on
April 09 2010 21:22 ET by Michael Brown
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Sid Dudley wrote:
Dixon Hurst wrote:
Hey. There is no "g" number by the landing speed shown.
Everybody bounce...bounce...bounce.
Good observation, Dixon, but ACARS did not report G force on landing a year ago when this thread was originally started.
ROFL ....OMG ..... I didn't even bother to look.
Terry ..... WHY did you dig up this thread from a year ago???
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DVA5074
Captain, MD-11
Joined on October 11 2007
Long Beach Century Club
Quatercentenary Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"9/11 Never Forget"
Attica Greece
475 legs, 813.0 hours
426 legs,
734.3 hours online
472 legs,
809.1 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 10 2010 04:03 ET by Evangelos Kagklis
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Hello to all! I am watching this thread the last 2-3 days and i wanted to say something about that. I am a real world frozen ATPL pilot i dont have many hours but i ve landed real world planes and i know 1 thing that the greased landing in reality is about -150 to -200ft in the best case... In this case we are talking about +1f/m well... + means climb. So try to imagine how is it possible to have a positive climb rate and land... In reality you will have a very small chance (and i would say in the ideal world of geometry) to achieve that if you are going to an airport with an very high slope runway. In FSX and FS9 on the mayor airports the rwy slope is not simulated.
Evangelos KagklisCaptain, MD-11
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DVA2564
Captain, MD-88
Joined on September 09 2005
Triple Century Club
Online Triple Century Club
Knoxville, TN USA
386 legs, 832.1 hours
361 legs,
767.2 hours online
379 legs,
801.0 hours ACARS
4 legs,
8.1 hours event
0 legs dispatched, 13.6
hours
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Posted onPost created on
April 10 2010 07:06 ET by Terry Kocher
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Michael Brown wrote:
Terry ..... WHY did you dig up this thread from a year ago???
Wow. If you hadn't posted this, I would not have even noticed.
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DVA7956
Captain, A320
OLP
Joined on November 05 2009
50 State Club
Event Half Century Club
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Everett 250 Club
Quatercentenary Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
"Swing on a star"
Manassas, VA USA
478 legs, 905.6 hours
259 legs,
494.7 hours online
473 legs,
893.0 hours ACARS
70 legs,
123.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 10 2010 10:38 ET by Scott Bradley
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Evangelos Kagklis wrote:
Hello to all! I am watching this thread the last 2-3 days and i wanted to say something about that. I am a real world frozen ATPL pilot i dont have many hours but i ve landed real world planes and i know 1 thing that the greased landing in reality is about -150 to -200ft in the best case... In this case we are talking about +1f/m well... + means climb. So try to imagine how is it possible to have a positive climb rate and land... In reality you will have a very small chance (and i would say in the ideal world of geometry) to achieve that if you are going to an airport with an very high slope runway. In FSX and FS9 on the mayor airports the rwy slope is not simulated.
I thought altimeters were referenced to the pilot location. Then his nose (where the pilot is) could be going up +1 fpm, while the gear is going down -150. Sound like a possibility? A 777 pliot friend of mine says he can read from an instrument how high off the ground he is.
I just landed at -3 fpm. I derive no pleasure from that when I know it was on a hop. So, looked at ACARS and my first landing was -116 fpm. I'll take that, but I have to live with a -3 in my logbook. I wonder if most sub 10 landings are suspect?
Scott BradleyCaptain, A320
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DVA5074
Captain, MD-11
Joined on October 11 2007
Long Beach Century Club
Quatercentenary Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"9/11 Never Forget"
Attica Greece
475 legs, 813.0 hours
426 legs,
734.3 hours online
472 legs,
809.1 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 10 2010 13:25 ET by Evangelos Kagklis
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This is the radio altimeter that you are talking about which has usually 2 antennas one in the front and one near the main landing gears and it shows the distance above the ground. The 2 antennas transmit a signal downwards and then the signal reflects from the ground and comes up in the same antennas the reading after that (separate readings from the 2 antennas) goes to a computer which then makes a rough average which is really precise though and passes the reading to the radioaltimeter in the cockpit which is now usually in the PFD. When you are landing the most correct reading is when you havent touch down yet. As soon as you touch down (main gears) then the reading from the computer comes basically from the front antenna because the aircraft knows that the reading from the antenna from the main gear is constant cause of the touch down. So it shows roughly the height of the nose gear from the ground and not the cockpit think about some really big jets eg the 747 that the cockpit is about 15-20 feet from the nose landing gear which is a lot when it comes to precision.
The vertical speed has nothing to do with the radio altimeter. The vertical speed is a pressure indication which comes from the static vents/ports. In the big jets though it has to do with the IRS as well. But i am talking just simple. In a cessna for example you just have the static vents from which comes a pressure reading which goes to the VSI. The VSI then compares the change in baro pressure and gives out the reading in a scale feet/min or in some eastern European aircrafts meters/min. Anyhow it measures the rate of change of the outside barometric pressure.
Sorry if i wrote many things 
Evangelos KagklisCaptain, MD-11
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DVA5929
Senior Captain, B747-400
OLP
Joined on May 10 2008
Million Mile Club
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Globetrotter
Six Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
"It's buried under a big W!"
TX USA
651 legs, 3,806.1 hours
472 legs,
2,922.9 hours online
565 legs,
3,319.5 hours ACARS
8 legs,
18.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 10 2010 20:13 ET by Nicholas Carpenter
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Hmm. Interesting thread. The smoothest I ever had was around -50ft/min but wasn't too dissapointed because it was an EMB-120 on a 10,000 ft. runway and was still near the blocks.
Nicholas CarpenterSenior Captain, B747-400
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DVA2564
Captain, MD-88
Joined on September 09 2005
Triple Century Club
Online Triple Century Club
Knoxville, TN USA
386 legs, 832.1 hours
361 legs,
767.2 hours online
379 legs,
801.0 hours ACARS
4 legs,
8.1 hours event
0 legs dispatched, 13.6
hours
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Posted onPost created on
April 13 2010 07:33 ET by Terry Kocher
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Its is possible to get consistently low landing rates while setting her down at the touchdown point. Its all about the approach, and getting over the subconscious tendency to pull up too soon and too far.
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Posted onPost created on
April 13 2010 14:48 ET by Caleb Gordon
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Hitting the blocks at the right speed and pitch for type of aircraft and getting a landing something like -1ft/min....I won't consider dangerous at all. After touch down the same principles apply...the aircraft weight gradually settles on the main gears, spoilers deploy and reverse thrust in. Slow down get off the runway and taxi to your gate. Getting a greaser doesn't necessarily mean you float down the runway. I have greased many and nailed them some 500ft after the blocks which is excellent touch down point in the real world. Remember the 1000ft marker is your "AIM" NOT your touch down point. Besides it's a sim therefore not all the physics involved in the R/W landing is realistically applied in the sim which can be an advantage in many many ways.
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Posted onPost created on
April 13 2010 18:06 ET by Joe Coughlin
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Caleb Gordon wrote:
Hitting the blocks at the right speed and pitch for type of aircraft and getting a landing something like -1ft/min....I won't consider dangerous at all. After touch down the same principles apply...the aircraft weight gradually settles on the main gears, spoilers deploy and reverse thrust in. Slow down get off the runway and taxi to your gate. Getting a greaser doesn't necessarily mean you float down the runway. I have greased many and nailed them some 500ft after the blocks which is excellent touch down point in the real world. Remember the 1000ft marker is your "AIM" NOT your touch down point. Besides it's a sim therefore not all the physics involved in the R/W landing is realistically applied in the sim which can be an advantage in many many ways.
No, the 1000 ft bocks are your planned touchdown point. That is ideally where you should be touching the mains down at. Also, landing at -1ft/min is very dangerous because this will cause the wheels to skid, rather than have that light "smack" down on the runway. Also the spoilers and autobrakes may not deploy with a touchdown rate that low. So there is danger in what we call at the virtual airlines, "greasers."
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Posted onPost created on
April 13 2010 22:25 ET by Caleb Gordon
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Joe Coughlin wrote:
Caleb Gordon wrote:
Hitting the blocks at the right speed and pitch for type of aircraft and getting a landing something like -1ft/min....I won't consider dangerous at all. After touch down the same principles apply...the aircraft weight gradually settles on the main gears, spoilers deploy and reverse thrust in. Slow down get off the runway and taxi to your gate. Getting a greaser doesn't necessarily mean you float down the runway. I have greased many and nailed them some 500ft after the blocks which is excellent touch down point in the real world. Remember the 1000ft marker is your "AIM" NOT your touch down point. Besides it's a sim therefore not all the physics involved in the R/W landing is realistically applied in the sim which can be an advantage in many many ways.
No, the 1000 ft bocks are your planned touchdown point. That is ideally where you should be touching the mains down at. Also, landing at -1ft/min is very dangerous because this will cause the wheels to skid, rather than have that light "smack" down on the runway. Also the spoilers and autobrakes may not deploy with a touchdown rate that low. So there is danger in what we call at the virtual airlines, "greasers."[/quote
All true, but I was trying to state that the 1000ft marker is not the only touch down point "painted" on the runway. The touch down zone stretches 2000ft from runway threshhold. A lot of folks believe if you don't nail it on the 1000ft marker you landing is not good which is absolutely untrue. Also true about the spoilers etc but realistically speaking -1ft/min R/W next to impossible.
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Posted onPost created on
April 14 2010 04:07 ET by Evangelos Kagklis
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Well it not impossible for helicopters in reality
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Posted onPost created on
April 14 2010 14:06 ET by Sid Dudley
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Wow! This thread is getting more attention now than it did when first posted. To add a little more for thought to this discussion, one key to a well executed landing starts long before arriving at the touchdown point. A well flown and stable approach is going to lead to a good landing more times than not. Remember the basics: Pitch, Power, Trim. If you get into that stable approach configuration you stay ahead of the aircraft and don't have to fight it so much to land smoothly. I'll get off my soapbox now.
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Posted onPost created on
April 14 2010 17:41 ET by Alex Jevdic
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"Plan to touch down 1500 from the runway threshold. The runway threshold
should disappear under the nose at about the same time CAWS announces
“100'.” Maintain a stabilized flight path through the 50 and 40 foot CAWS callouts
(unless sink rate is high). At 30' a smooth 2.5 degree flare should be initiated
so as to arrive below 10' in the landing attitude. Do not trim in the flare.
Elevator back pressure should be relaxed, and a constant pitch attitude
should be maintained from 10' radio altitude to touchdown.
The autothrottles switch to the retard mode at 50' RA. In the retard mode, the
throttles move to idle at a pre-programmed rate without regard to airspeed,
vertical velocity, or RA. The PF must maintain the appropriate glide path to
touchdown. If a deviation occurs from that glide path, the PF must override
the autothrottles to prevent retard."
From the FDX manuals on landing, MD11/10 specific.
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Posted onPost created on
May 07 2010 10:32 ET by Tracy Norris
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Just thought I'd bring I'd bring up some figures...
a -250fpm landing is a descent rate of -4.16 ft per second which is firm but good
a -100fpm landing is a descent rate of -1.66 ft per second and is what I'd call a greaser
a -1fpm landing is a descent rate of -0.016 ft per second or about a hundredth of of an inch per second or 1/2ft per 30 seconds which is floating down the runway no matter how you look at it, bounce or not! 
Early in my RW flying days, using a Grumman AA5A Cheetah with dinky flaps and holding on just a smidge of power, I could easily stay in ground effect, never touching down, the entire length of Houston's Ellington field runway 17R (9001ft). This is NOT the way you want to land lol
Just my .02 cents (that's 0.001 cents per second )
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Posted onPost created on
May 13 2010 13:11 ET by Robert Delorenzo
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Hi everyone,
I seem to recall that most RW commercial airliners should land at no less than 100fpm (and no more than 400fpm). If touchdown occurs at less than 100fpm many of the after landing systems (auto-spoilers, auto-brakes etc.) will not be triggered. If you land at much more than 400fpm you risk damaging the landing gear...or worse.
Please correct me if I am mis-informed.
Bob
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Posted onPost created on
May 13 2010 19:11 ET by Joe Coughlin
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Robert Delorenzo wrote:
Hi everyone,
I seem to recall that most RW commercial airliners should land at no less than 100fpm (and no more than 400fpm). If touchdown occurs at less than 100fpm many of the after landing systems (auto-spoilers, auto-brakes etc.) will not be triggered. If you land at much more than 400fpm you risk damaging the landing gear...or worse.
Please correct me if I am mis-informed.
Bob
You are quite right on the no less than -100fpm for the reasons you listed above. Although the higher limit is slightly different. After talking to an ABX 767 pilot a few months ago he said that it is preferred to land at less than -500ft/min, but most airliners are built to withstand up to -1000fpm without damage. Over that you can damage the airframe, but sometimes below that number pilots even ask for the hard landing airframe check from MX. Hope this helps!
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Posted onPost created on
May 13 2010 20:05 ET by Robert Delorenzo
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I stand corrected...
However I'm really quite suprised by the -1000fpm...I'm sure I would fail a DvA checkride if acars recorded such a high rate of descent at touchdown.
Also, is that number true for narrow body airliners (737, A320 etc.) as well...and what about turboprops?
Thanks for the info,
Bob
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Posted onPost created on
May 13 2010 21:19 ET by Michael Brown
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Whats with digging up old posts? ... this is from 2009
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Posted onPost created on
May 13 2010 21:36 ET by Nicholas Carpenter
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I don't know about 1000 fpm, I was under the impression that the F/A-18 Hornets with their beefed up gear could only stand about 700 fpm, though I may very well be wrong.
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Posted onPost created on
May 13 2010 22:00 ET by Matt Lynn
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You all are so wrong!!! I'm a real world pilot as well and any landing you can reuse the aircraft mediately following our arrival is a great landing!!!
As for greased landings in the real world, I've done them in Jets and turbo props to where the other pilot nor passengers knew we were on the ground!! And it was in the touchdown zone!!!! But the best landings will come on a snow covered runway because it adds that cushion we all need to make a nice landing great!!! Wet runways come in second for making a great landing....
theres my .02 cents, can I get my change now.....
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Posted onPost created on
May 13 2010 23:35 ET by Brady Molloy
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I've flown the Beechcraft King Air and received "greased landings". It is all about that right moment of flare, pitch up attitude and weather (no winds). As Matt said it is possible to put the plane on the blocks at -50 fpm if you do everything perfectly. But getting -200 fpm on the blocks every time is great too, shows consistency.
Just my two cents...
Cheers,
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