Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler - Ok,here goes...I'm planning to fly from PHNL-KLAX..in the EMB-120

Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | Airline Operations | Ok,here goes...I'm planning to fly from PHNL-KLAX..in the EMB-120

DVA6424
Captain, CRJ-200
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Joined on September 20 2008
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"I dont believe in a no-win scenario""
Midwestern United States

464 legs, 621.1 hours
256 legs, 256.6 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 01:40 ET by David Digney

Place your bets folks...

David Digney

Captain, CRJ-200

DVA6399
Captain, B777-200

Joined on December 19 2007
Century Club

Tel Aviv, Israel Israel

152 legs, 596.5 hours
73 legs, 346.6 hours online
141 legs, 549.6 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 06:08 ET by Jeff Popoviz

I'll put my virtual pay on that the emb-120 will run out fuel and will go down in the Pacific Ocean. The Emb's range is 771nm and that trip is almost double the range of the aircraft.

Jeff Popoviz (DVA6399)

DVA6399
Captain, B777-200

Joined on December 19 2007
Century Club

Tel Aviv, Israel Israel

152 legs, 596.5 hours
73 legs, 346.6 hours online
141 legs, 549.6 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 07:35 ET by Jeff Popoviz

But I wish you good luck David!!!

Jeff Popoviz (DVA6399)

DVA3931
Senior Captain, L-1011-100
OLP, COMM

Joined on January 19 2007
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"De oppresso liber"
Surry, ME

1,882 legs, 3,806.7 hours
478 legs, 767.8 hours online
1,107 legs, 1,674.5 hours ACARS
55 legs, 114.8 hours event
195 legs dispatched, 134.4 hours

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 07:40 ET by Andrew Kaufmann

also the EMB is deifinately not ETOPS rated - you're wasting your time - remember the requirements for flight are any aircraft you are rated in that can make the trip...which the EMB can't

Andrew Kaufmann (DVA3931)

DVA3672
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"Chris, NOT in Seattle"
Northeastern United States

2,534 legs, 6,223.1 hours
1,537 legs, 3,252.2 hours online
2,243 legs, 5,407.0 hours ACARS
4 legs, 6.0 hours event
2 legs dispatched, 19.5 hours

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 08:17 ET by Chris Frasure

I bet it gets rejected wink

DVA1427
Senior Captain, MD-11
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Kannapolis, NC

558 legs, 1,984.3 hours
250 legs, 611.8 hours online
384 legs, 1,530.5 hours ACARS
38 legs, 82.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 13:15 ET by Lewis Gregory

Adding to what Andy and Chris said...unless you're carrying nothing but fuel tanks in the back of that Brasilia instead of passengers, or rigged up a drogue on the side and have a KC-130 on call, you ain't making it. And even if you did, if you filed the PIREP, it'd get rejected. You can try it for fun, I've done stuff like that before, a lot of us have. But save yourself a few seconds of time and don't bother filing it, that way it saves whoever rejects it a little strain on their mouse finger. smile

Remember the rule--IF it's a valid flight from the website, AND you're rated in the aircraft, AND the aircraft can safely make the trip, you can file it. You need all three to be true before filing a PIREP on a flight.

BTW, people in real life have done twin turboprops between California and Hawaii many times, of course. I remember reading about a real around-the-world flight done with an King Air E90. The Honolulu-California run was their last leg and the longest they did, and even with almost every cubic inch of the passenger space crammed with fuel tanks and some very economical flying, they barely made it. Unfortunately, the only way you could simulate something like that in FS would be manually--fill your passenger slots up with huge amounts of weight, and then stop every so often and "transfer fuel" by refilling your fuel tanks and removing weight from the cabin. That's not unlike how the E90 crew did it, they pumped fuel from the cabin tanks into the main wing tanks every so often.

Lewis Gregory

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 14:28 ET by Andrew Kaufmann

I've done it in the DC6, it's doable, and a legitimate Historical flight.

Andrew Kaufmann (DVA3931)

DVA5259
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on November 15 2007

Sacramento, CA USA

45 legs, 70.4 hours
5 legs, 9.1 hours online
43 legs, 66.5 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 14:32 ET by Daniel Haro

I think you'd have to climb up to a really high altitude to conserve your fuel consumption.

I personally don't think it is possible unless you had a strong tailwind pushing you along the way maybe.

But good luck.

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 17:33 ET by David Digney

Ok folks,i'm going to loosen up on some CRJ flights,and later tonite,try my PHNL-KSFO flight in the EMB-120
2 pilots = 500lbs,5 passengers = 1250lbs,and the rest in fuel...

if just for the fun of it...we'll see...

David Digney

Captain, CRJ-200

DVA6540
Captain, B777-200

Joined on October 20 2008
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Caracas, Distrito Federal VE

240 legs, 562.2 hours
8 legs, 12.1 hours online
177 legs, 412.8 hours ACARS
12 legs, 23.1 hours event
363 legs, 903.4 hours total

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 17:35 ET by Augusto Casado

Probably at the second you file, the PIREP will be rejected.. btw how did you do this flight with the EMB: http://www.deltava.org/pirep.do?id=0x61a2d ?? it almost the double of the range of the Brasilia.

Augusto Casado (DVA6540)

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 18:56 ET by David Digney

Augusto..i can do things in the EMB-120 and the CRJ because i'm good at it..619 hours is nothing to sneeze at..

So it gets rejected,i'm gonna print it off and paste it on the wall...its an accomplishment...

not to mention,people will be checking ACARS to see my progress

David Digney

Captain, CRJ-200

DVA043
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Marietta, GA

2,326 legs, 9,362.8 hours
240 legs, 553.9 hours online
1,984 legs, 8,155.9 hours ACARS
75 legs, 196.3 hours event
2,362 legs, 9,497.7 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 66.4 hours

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 18:58 ET by Luke Kolin

This is a polite hint. Log it as a Training Flight.

Thanks in advance!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 19:05 ET by Andrew Kaufmann

Hmmm 2,535 lbs fuel for a 4.3 hour flight - lol

Andrew Kaufmann (DVA3931)

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Lafayette, IN USA

1,297 legs, 7,941.5 hours
57 legs, 183.0 hours online
1,294 legs, 7,932.0 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 20:49 ET by Brian Knight

In the AOM it says that the maximum payload range of the EMB-120ER is 1570NM with reserves. So, if you lower the payload, the range should be greater than that.

Brian Knight

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on April 30 2009 21:00 ET by Augusto Casado

First of all, I didn't say that you are good or not in the CRJ/EMB, also, if you really want to arrive safely in California, it's better if you go to San Francisco, it's near to HNL than LAX.

Augusto Casado (DVA6540)

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