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DVA3851
Captain, L-1011-100

Joined on December 28 2006
Double Century Club

"It's always sunny above the clouds"
New York, NY USA

299 legs, 1,199.4 hours
31 legs, 71.6 hours online
268 legs, 1,125.5 hours ACARS
4 legs, 6.2 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 09 2009 17:13 ET by Nicholas Harding

From Delta's blog: http://blog.delta.com/2009/08/05/image-delta-fleet-in-livery/

Nicholas Harding (DVA3851)

DVA4031
Captain, B757-200

Joined on January 20 2007
50 State Club
B757 100 Club
Everett 500 Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
Million Mile Club
Millennium Club

Port Orchard, WA

1,186 legs, 3,343.2 hours
1,177 legs, 3,327.8 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on August 09 2009 18:00 ET by Quinlan Cao

That 757 sure looks good... wink

Cool, thanks for the link!

Quinlan Cao (DVA4031)

DVA2496
Senior Captain, B757-200
OLP

Joined on July 13 2005
B757 100 Club
50 State Club
Iron Dispatcher
Black Pearl Club
Everett Millennium Club
Globetrotter
Flying Colonel
Online Fifteen Century
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Two Million Mile Club
Event Half Century Club

"Delta Connect - Antigua to world"
Cassada Gardens, Saint John Antigua and Barbuda

1,937 legs, 6,226.6 hours
1,841 legs, 5,965.6 hours online
1,796 legs, 5,809.7 hours ACARS
76 legs, 159.2 hours event
641 legs dispatched, 253.3 hours

Posted onPost created on August 09 2009 18:18 ET by Perez Howson

really nice indeed Quinlan

PIH

Perez Howson (DVA2496)

Posted onPost created on August 09 2009 18:26 ET by Nicholas Harding

I was not aware that Delta plans to paint the charter 742s.

Nicholas Harding (DVA3851)

DVA7180
Captain, MD-88

Joined on March 17 2009

Richmond, BC Canada

59 legs, 109.5 hours
4 legs, 6.8 hours online
56 legs, 101.4 hours ACARS
2 legs, 3.2 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 09 2009 22:04 ET by Lindsey Wiebe

Nice find!

Lindsey Wiebe

Captain, MD-88

DVA6626
Captain, MD-11

Joined on November 07 2008
Six Century Club
Million Mile Club

""PROFILE CLIMB""
Las Vegas, NV

753 legs, 2,288.9 hours
28 legs, 55.2 hours online
747 legs, 2,255.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on August 09 2009 22:57 ET by Michael Pare

I wonder how long they will keep those DC-9's

Michael Pare (DVA6626)

Posted onPost created on August 09 2009 23:24 ET by Nicholas Harding

I am not sure about the future of the DC9s but Delta has pulled a few out of storage and put them back into service.

Nicholas Harding (DVA3851)

DVA7620
First Officer, B777-200
OLP

Joined on July 21 2009

"Dream"
NJ USA

66 legs, 105.0 hours
55 legs, 89.5 hours online
63 legs, 99.1 hours ACARS
16 legs, 31.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 10 2009 01:16 ET by Neil Sarna

What about the 742 how long will they be there for?

Neil Sarna (DVA7620)

Posted onPost created on August 10 2009 02:28 ET by Michael Pare

I would think the old DC-9s are no longer cost effective an could be leaving the fleet soon.

Michael Pare (DVA6626)

DVA5544
Captain, A320

Joined on February 07 2008

"I'm at a 15° chin-up attitude."
Spiez, Bern Schweiz

34 legs, 58.3 hours
24 legs, 34.9 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on August 11 2009 15:32 ET by Alexander Kolb

I guess they'll use the DC-9s for a little while longer.

At the moment, opperating the DC-9s for a little bit longer is less expensive than replacing them with new aircraft. Once the opperation cost has a chance to become higher overall, I think they'll replace them.

I think the 742s might have a bit more time left in them yet, aswell.

Alexander Kolb

Captain, A320

DVA5066
Captain, B757-200

Joined on October 05 2007
Online Century Club
B757 100 Club
Globetrotter
50 State Club
Everett 500 Club
Flying Colonel
Two Million Mile Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
US Mountaineer Club
US Coastal Club

NY

1,991 legs, 5,286.8 hours
172 legs, 333.7 hours online
1,903 legs, 4,996.5 hours ACARS
81 legs, 148.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 11 2009 16:28 ET by Michael Marano

The cargo 742s could be retired. The two charter ones may still see some use.

Michael Marano (DVA5066)

DVA3909
Captain, B767-300

Joined on January 13 2007
Century Club

"Let's Roll."
Midwestern United States

109 legs, 265.9 hours
75 legs, 179.5 hours online
92 legs, 222.8 hours ACARS
1 legs, 3.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 12 2009 00:14 ET by Matthew Barkley

The DC9's are still cost efficient, for the time being. They may not be as fuel efficient, but that is not the only cost involved with operating an aircraft.

These DC9's are completely paid for, meaning no payments. Whenever the cost of buying a new replacement aircraft is equal to the cost of flying the DC9, then they will retire them.

New Aircraft Costs:
-Existing Crew to be trained on new equipment
-Payments
-Paint
-Maintenance
-Fuel
-Crew

DC9:
-Fuel
-Paint (The remainder of the fleet to be painted to NNC)
-Maintenance and parts
-Fuel
-Crew

Whenever the cost advantage of having no payments is outweighed by the need for more fuel efficiency, then you will see a transition.

Matthew Barkley

Captain, B767-300

Posted onPost created on August 12 2009 00:20 ET by Michael Pare

A CRJ-900 could replace the older DC-9's

Michael Pare (DVA6626)

Posted onPost created on August 12 2009 00:35 ET by Matthew Barkley

I'm sure those DC9 pilots would LOVE being either a) downgraded to Regional Jets (and contracts sold to SKW or ASQ), or b) being furloughed or even fired and letting SkyWest and ASA take over their jobs with lower pay.

It's not like the DC9 pilots can get jobs at other airlines, none are hiring!

Matthew Barkley

Captain, B767-300

Posted onPost created on August 12 2009 16:44 ET by Michael Pare

Yeah the pilots I know are just happy to still be working.

Michael Pare (DVA6626)

DVA5279
Chief Pilot, MD-11
OLP
DISPATCHER

Joined on December 12 2007
50 State Club
Globetrotter
DVA Fleet Master
US Coastal Club
Everett Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Tri-Millennium Club
US Mountaineer Club
Nine Million Mile Club

Wright, MN

3,447 legs, 19,506.0 hours
53 legs, 248.6 hours online
3,398 legs, 19,220.6 hours ACARS
17 legs dispatched, 194.4 hours

Posted onPost created on August 14 2009 23:30 ET by Kris Goodrich

This is an old discussion and was brought up when the merger was announced. The CRJ9 can not replace a DC-9 on most of NW routes, unless they plan on increasing frequencies to make up for the loss of capacity. The CRJ9 only has 74 seats. The DC9-30's have 100 seats. The DC9-30's and DC9-40's could be replaced with E190's or B717's, which are the few aircraft comparable in size (~105-110 seats). The 125 seat DC9-50's could be replaced with A318's, B736's, or even E195's.

Kris Goodrich

Chief Pilot, MD-11

DVA6622
Captain, B767-300
E-MAIL

Joined on November 09 2008
Everett Century Club
Triple Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary

Vandalia, OH USA

365 legs, 635.8 hours
347 legs, 610.0 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on August 25 2009 00:04 ET by Daniel Betts

You would be more likely to see E-175s replacing the DC-9s than CRJ-900s. But it is great to see a classic airliner still flying. NW is the only major airline still flying them (unless you count MD-80s and the B717).

Daniel Betts

Captain, B767-300

DVA6535
First Officer, A320
OLP

Joined on October 18 2008
50 State Club
Million Mile Club
Everett 500 Club
Millennium Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary

San Angelo, TX

1,045 legs, 3,604.7 hours
84 legs, 193.1 hours online
1,010 legs, 3,443.7 hours ACARS
14 legs, 25.8 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 28 2009 23:21 ET by Matthew Lamay

Considering that the 717 is a DC-9-30 with new engines and a glass cockpit, it would probably be the best trade off. Unfortunately, 717's are no longer readily available. AirTran 717's seat 117. 12 in business and 105 in coach. This shuts the the CRJ-900 and E-170 out with seating for 70-80 respectively. The E-190 only sits between 100-110 depending on airline configuration. The best fits would be the B736/73G, or A319/320. I personally don't believe that DL has any intentions of phasing the DC-9 out any time soon since they a dropping around $200k a pop to repaint those birds.

Matthew Lamay (DVA6535)

DVA3438
Senior Captain, B717-200
OLP
E-MAIL

Joined on August 12 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Everett Bi-Millennium Club
US Coastal Club
US Mountaineer Club
Three Million Mile Club
Tri-Millennium Club
Events Century Club
Online Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary

Honolulu, HI

3,901 legs, 8,778.3 hours
1,366 legs, 2,824.5 hours online
3,760 legs, 8,263.1 hours ACARS
130 legs, 355.9 hours event
106 legs dispatched, 98.6 hours

Posted onPost created on August 29 2009 00:49 ET by Kyle Catlin

Last I heard, 742F are no longer in service and the 742 are charter. I don't think they're repainting them tho. Haha I love the little saab. that things a blast to fly! they've already replaced one of our daily DC9s at GFK with a CRJ-900. Of course they are only being moved elsewhere during the merge. They have been continuously brining more and more of those diesel 9s from storage which is awesome to see smile

DVA3498
Captain, B777-200

Joined on August 28 2006

Western United States

89 legs, 520.7 hours
7 legs, 18.7 hours online
80 legs, 497.4 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on September 01 2009 13:17 ET by William Brynjolfsson

i dont think that 200k is much of a cost to a airline as large as delta, also considering a comercial jet costs well over $50 mil. i dont think the dc 9 will last 5 years in the mainline fleet.

William Brynjolfsson

Captain, B777-200

DVA1427
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP

Joined on December 14 2003
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
Tri-Jet Triumph
Globetrotter
Moose Club
US Capital Club
Everett 250 Club
Quincentenary Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary

"Livin' in the Dog Pound!"
Kannapolis, NC

558 legs, 1,984.3 hours
250 legs, 611.8 hours online
384 legs, 1,530.5 hours ACARS
38 legs, 82.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on September 01 2009 13:45 ET by Lewis Gregory

The Diesel-9s are flying around for the same reason I still drive a 1996 Dodge pickup with 166,000 miles on it. Yeah, it's beaten up and banged up and gets 16 mpg downhill with a tailwind, but the sucker's paid for. smile

I don't know if the DC-9 maintenance costs per flight hour are higher than a newer aircraft; I imagine they are, and the fuel cost definitely is, but that's got to be factored against the millions of dollars to lease a new(er) aircraft...and finding newer aircraft in the first place. How far ahead is Boeing's 737NG production line booked right now? The beancounters in Atlanta have to figure all that in. At some point in the future the balance will tip and it will make economic sense to actually replace the -9s with newer mainline aircraft, or possibly downgrade some of the routes to regional and use the bigger ERJs or CRJs. I don't see them ditching the -9s for several years, at least until Northwest's operations are fully integrated with Delta's and they have some solid post-merger data to look at.

Lewis Gregory

Senior Captain, MD-11

DVA1038
Captain, B737-800
E-MAIL

Joined on January 12 2003
Century Club

"Celer, Silens, Mortalis"
Summerville, SC USA

169 legs, 1,008.2 hours
56 legs, 288.5 hours online
25 legs, 221.2 hours ACARS
1 legs, 5.0 hours event

Posted onPost created on September 01 2009 16:51 ET by Kevin Cornish

I would think that Delta's front office is already looking at replacing the -9s with possibly either E-195s or 736s. Because of how far down the road it will be before any new aircraft orders are delivered, they've got to think about replacing them now. Even though it may be several years before they're actually retired.

Kevin Cornish

Captain, B737-800

DVA3498
Captain, B777-200

Joined on August 28 2006

Western United States

89 legs, 520.7 hours
7 legs, 18.7 hours online
80 legs, 497.4 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on September 01 2009 17:09 ET by William Brynjolfsson

doesnt delta have an agreement with boeing, delta only buys boeing, and boeing gives delta a certin number of spotsat the front of th line?

William Brynjolfsson

Captain, B777-200

Posted onPost created on September 02 2009 14:56 ET by Kevin Cornish

Yeah, we do have an agreement with Delta for that, but Delta only gets a set amount of total early del. spots. Thats why Delta was able to get 772LRs so quickly. Its realy just a question of whether or not Delta want to use some of thier remianing early delivery slots for small a/c like the 736 or not.

Kevin Cornish

Captain, B737-800

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