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"Position and Hold" to change soon |
DVA4441
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 09:51 ET by Mike Tomt
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Thought this was interesting....
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/PositionAndHoldChangeExpectedSoon_201830-1.html
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DVA3931
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 10:00 ET by Andrew Kaufmann
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lol - that's almost like "Hurry up and Wait"
Nice article.
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DVA4410
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Hollywood, FL USA
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 10:02 ET by Devin Davis
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aww man "Line Up and Wait" sounds boring it doesn't flow like position and hold.
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DVA7650
Captain, B757-200
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Western Europe
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 11:05 ET by Martin Buchheim
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I think it makes sense. "Holding Position" and "Position and hold" sounds way too similar...
Martin BuchheimCaptain, B757-200
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DVA5973
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 11:20 ET by Joe Coughlin
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Devin Davis wrote:
aww man "Line Up and Wait" sounds boring it doesn't flow like position and hold.
I agree!!
Several other foreign countries use the "Line up and wait" phrase, but I prefer the old position and hold!
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DVA5578
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 11:22 ET by Joel Cox
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I don't have a big issue with it. Everyone will get used to it, and it will be normal in just a few years. Personally, I think we should use "Assume the position" rather than "Position and hold", but that's just me.
Joel CoxCaptain, B757-200
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DVA7922
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 11:56 ET by Charles Carter
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Nice Joel :-)
I personally think the "Line up and wait" is just weird, seems like exactly what I'm doing when I'm holding short of the runway. But then again we are the only country using something different, and conformity seems to be the name of the game in aviation.
Charles CarterSenior Captain, MD-88
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DVA1933
Senior Captain, B727-200
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Monterrey, NL Mexico
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 12:00 ET by David Eugenio Gomez
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Joel Cox wrote:
I don't have a big issue with it. Everyone will get used to it, and it will be normal in just a few years. Personally, I think we should use "Assume the position" rather than "Position and hold", but that's just me.
"Assume position" sounds to me like a cop thing LOL.
I don't like "Line up and wait" either... doesn't feel the same.
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DVA4410
Captain, A320
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Hollywood, FL USA
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 12:06 ET by Devin Davis
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No assume the position is a little akward.
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DVA1690
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 12:32 ET by Trevor Bair
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Anybody notice the graphic AvWeb is using for the article?  Hello FS9!
Trevor BairSenior Captain, MD-88
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DVA4410
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Hollywood, FL USA
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 12:55 ET by Devin Davis
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Trevor Bair wrote:Anybody notice the graphic AvWeb is using for the article? Hello FS9!
lol your right
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DVA7421
First Officer, A330-300
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 13:02 ET by Brandon Daly
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Devin Davis wrote:
aww man "Line Up and Wait" sounds boring it doesn't flow like position and hold.
I totally agree Position and hold sounds more exciting than Line Up and Wait, so I say boooooooooo to that one.
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DVA7373
Captain, B757-200
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Southeastern United States
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 13:17 ET by Nicholas Taylor
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If pilots confuse "Hold position" and "Position and Hold," they shouldn't have their license if they can't speak English well enough to distinguish between the two. I don't think it's necessary to change it, so far, no issues that I know of have resulted from this. Why don't we just change all of our phraseology to line up with the ICAO while we're at it.
Nicholas TaylorCaptain, B757-200
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DVA4410
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Hollywood, FL USA
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 13:19 ET by Devin Davis
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Nicholas Taylor wrote:
If pilots confuse "Hold position" and "Position and Hold," they shouldn't have their license if they can't speak English well enough to distinguish between the two. I don't think it's necessary to change it, so far, no issues that I know of have resulted from this. Why don't we just change all of our phraseology to line up with the ICAO while we're at it.
Completely true
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DVA7922
Senior Captain, MD-88
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 13:39 ET by Charles Carter
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Actually... more and more in 121 ops, everything IS being lined up with ICAO. Even with companies that only fly domestic. I personally don't like it, but it seems to be the trend.
Charles CarterSenior Captain, MD-88
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DVA7899
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 18:07 ET by Skylar Macminn
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Nicholas Taylor wrote:
If pilots confuse "Hold position" and "Position and Hold," they shouldn't have their license if they can't speak English well enough to distinguish between the two. I don't think it's necessary to change it, so far, no issues that I know of have resulted from this. Why don't we just change all of our phraseology to line up with the ICAO while we're at it.
So you should punish the Chinese pilot because his native tongue isn't English? ^_^ Accents can get confusing to some people, so it can be harder to understand.
Might as well change it all to European standards imo. QNH, Metric system (please do change to metric silly US) -- they should at least standardize it across the board to prevent confusion.
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DVA7373
Captain, B757-200
OLP
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Southeastern United States
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 18:31 ET by Nicholas Taylor
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Skylar Macminn wrote:
Nicholas Taylor wrote:
If pilots confuse "Hold position" and "Position and Hold," they shouldn't have their license if they can't speak English well enough to distinguish between the two. I don't think it's necessary to change it, so far, no issues that I know of have resulted from this. Why don't we just change all of our phraseology to line up with the ICAO while we're at it.
So you should punish the Chinese pilot because his native tongue isn't English? ^_^ Accents can get confusing to some people, so it can be harder to understand.
Might as well change it all to European standards imo. QNH, Metric system (please do change to metric silly US) -- they should at least standardize it across the board to prevent confusion.
Since there are English requirements that would prevent this kind of misunderstanding, yes. If the Chinese guy somehow got through the standards but misunderstand this, they shouldn't be flying here. I mean honestly, it's a complete different sentence structure, different syllable flow, everything.
Nicholas TaylorCaptain, B757-200
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DVA3787
Senior Captain, CRJ-200
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Western Europe
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Posted onPost created on
January 15 2010 18:55 ET by Mark Salter
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Maybe it's because I control Caribbean, but I prefer ICAO standards over FAA. This is what most of the world's on and I believe that "simplicity in uniformity" is something that should be acknowledged. This is especially true for something as safety-driven as aviation.
Mark SalterSenior Captain, CRJ-200
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DVA3665
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Posted onPost created on
January 16 2010 00:20 ET by Benton Wilmes
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I'm usually a huge fan of keeping FAA procedures how they are and not conforming to ICAO procedures because lets face it, the US Airspace is the safest, most efficient and busiest airspace in the world (therefore the BEST  )
However, I have no problems with changing this phraseology as it still makes perfect sense. When you think about it, it leaves less room for errors by pilots on what to actually do. Now I know 99.99999999999% of pilots won't ever make the mistake because tower basically only tells you 3 things, 1) cleared for takeoff, 2) position and hold (line up and wait outside the US) or 3) hold short. Breaking down position and hold; position tells the pilot to go into position on the runway (where is that exactly though?) and hold tells him to hold (but what do you mean hold?). Line up and wait is much more clear and leaves almost no room for misinterpretation. Line up tells you to line up on the runway, and wait tells you to wait until told to do something else.
If you ask a random person who isn't familiar with the 2 and asked them what they thought they meant, I'm willing to bet more people would get line up and wait over position and hold and would say it makes more sense. Sense we all have grown up using position and hold its obviously very familiar to us and we understand it.
Benton WilmesSenior Captain, B777-200
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DVA7650
Captain, B757-200
Joined on August 13 2009
Western Europe
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Posted onPost created on
January 16 2010 05:27 ET by Martin Buchheim
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I fully agree with Benton. This is a question of safety, and therefore it should be changed in my opinion. Pilots are humans, and humans make mistakes. If you can reduce a risk by changing standard phraseology for better distinction, I'm for it. And best would be to change it before a landing aircraft crashes into another that accidentally rolled onto the runway instead of waiting at the holding point, just because both phrases have "hold" and "position" in it.
Numerous accidents in aviation history (including the biggest ever) happened because of miscommunication, I think it makes perfect sense to reduce those risks as much as possible.
Martin BuchheimCaptain, B757-200
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DVA2843
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Posted onPost created on
January 16 2010 05:57 ET by Nicolas Ammann
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Nicholas Taylor wrote:
Since there are English requirements that would prevent this kind of misunderstanding, yes. If the Chinese guy somehow got through the standards but misunderstand this, they shouldn't be flying here. I mean honestly, it's a complete different sentence structure, different syllable flow, everything.
Have you ever been at the holding point in a loud piston aircraft, probably just taking with your copilot about something of your departure, while ATC gives you instructions over the busy frequency? I can tell you, that is fun.
Some standardization are helpfully and in my opinion, one of those is to standardize voice. One language and one phraseology.
Nicolas AmmannFirst Officer, MD-11
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DVA3159
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Posted onPost created on
January 16 2010 18:40 ET by Patrick Hramika
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"Position and hold." Understanding and perfect....Why fix something that is not BROKE! If you don't speak english......ok......where do u fly?.........Also this is America.......we make the rules not what other countries want.....Fly to USA.....learn our rules....This change will do nothing but cost the taxpayers a lot of money that we dont have....Just my opinion!
Patrick....DVA3159
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DVA8180
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Posted onPost created on
February 20 2010 10:19 ET by Matt Lynn
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I'm a real world pilot and I fly to Mexico, Canada and the Islands and I've heard Line up and Wait for quite some time. I will say the first time I heard it I chuckled because it was not the same as what I was used to hearing here in the USA. When flying into Canada back in the early 90's you used to always get a gear check from tower when you checked in, Our military bases used to do the same thing when they were military ATC at a joint operations airfield. That used to make me smile because usually you were handed off to tower a few miles before you were extending the gear. I'm not sure if any other countries do that one or not. On the note of position and hold I used to fly with a few copilots who would read back that they were pulling it out and holding it when given position and hold!!!
Matt LynnSenior Captain, B747-400
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DVA1580
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Posted onPost created on
February 20 2010 11:32 ET by Scott Breuer
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Seems like the dumbing down of pilot communications to me.
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DVA8076
First Officer, B767-300
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Harnett, NC USA
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Posted onPost created on
February 20 2010 16:08 ET by Mike Rotchberns
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Yep they've been planning this for a while. I flew into KCLT not too long ago in a Piper Warrior and luckily they still say position and hold. I agree with Scott it sounds like they are indeed dumbing down pilot communication.
Mike RotchbernsFirst Officer, B767-300
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DVA7922
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Posted onPost created on
February 20 2010 16:54 ET by Charles Carter
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I have to agree that if you can understand the difference between position and hold and hold position you should not be flying in the system. The arguement that it is punishing people for whom English is not their first language doesn't seem very strong because 1) in the US all licenses require that you read speak and write in English to a minimum level (there is a standardized test to prove that ability) and 2) throughout the world English is the recognized language of aviation. There's no way to win with someone who doesn't speak the language. Go sit in Atlanta and listen to Korean Air come in. They have almost no ablility to readback runway hold short instructions. It has gotten to the point that the controllers have all but given up with them. THAT is a safety concern. If we have to change everything because the lowest common denominatior might mess it up, we should park all aircraft - and all vehicles for that matter - and walk where ever we need to go.
Charles CarterSenior Captain, MD-88
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DVA8221
Captain, B757-200
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Posted onPost created on
February 20 2010 17:26 ET by Sandro Salgueiro
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Agree with Charles, since this standardization is concerned with safety it should be worth it.
There's no way escaping, globalization brings convergence. We can't just sit down and think we are the perfect example to the world. Since we can't be the world, we have to be in the world.
Sandro SalgueiroCaptain, B757-200
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DVA3382
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Posted onPost created on
February 20 2010 20:07 ET by Ryan Daugherty
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I'll be replying "position and hold" every time
RD
Ryan DaughertySenior Captain, B717-200
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DVA938
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Posted onPost created on
February 20 2010 21:15 ET by Jared Angstadt
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I remember when I was job shading for working the C tower, to be a ramp controller, at KATL, and the controller I was watching told an Air Tran crew to use the left lane to the hold spot it was something like "Citrus xxx, left lane to 2 North, ground .9." and the crew made a not required right turn then got back on the left lane, so I'm not sure that this will make things any safer then what they are, as it has been said humans do make mistakes. Its also like why can't parts of China and Russia quit using meters as the unit of height and just use feet like everyone else.
Jared AngstadtSenior Captain, MD-88
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DVA3355
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Posted onPost created on
February 21 2010 01:15 ET by Daniel Hodnik
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i don't understand what the big deal is. lots of people seem to be stubborn over this for no real reason besides the fact that it is a change.
i will say that dealing with pilots that do not speak English efficiently are a hassle and a half.
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DVA2564
Captain, MD-88
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Posted onPost created on
February 25 2010 03:54 ET by Terry Kocher
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Wi
Ryan Daugherty wrote:I'll be replying "position and hold" every time
RD
Second that.
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First Officer, B777-200
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Posted onPost created on
May 08 2010 22:28 ET by Marcus Lander
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There would be absolutely no reason to change it, other than the FAA being sick of hearing it. If you cant tell the difference between "Position and Hold" and "Hold position" then there is a problem. There is a clear difference between those. If you cant/dont speak english then you should learn it before flying here. But hey, if you know how to speak it and can understand each instruction that ATC gives you, then hey hop in the cockpit and take a tour of the US. I mean not to offend any person what so ever, but It's very clear that we will not change our native language for one foreign pilot. If you cant speak it then learn or dont fly here and thats all that there is to it.
Marcus LanderFirst Officer, B777-200
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DVA2025
Senior Captain, MD-11
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Posted onPost created on
May 09 2010 18:55 ET by Noah Bryant
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Your very right Marcus, unfortunately as we've all heard via liveatc.net, there are a lot of pilots flying in the US that cant speak english as well as they should...reminds me of listening to fargo/grand forks comms with the forign students at UND...
Im opposed to changing it too though, it works, leave it alone.
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DVA3196
Senior Captain, MD-11
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Posted onPost created on
May 09 2010 20:25 ET by Michael Brown
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Anyone else notice how old the thread is?
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Captain, B737-800
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Posted onPost created on
May 09 2010 20:40 ET by Skylar Macminn
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Michael Brown wrote:
Anyone else notice how old the thread is?
Apparently people think it's okay/funny to bump old threads that have been dead for a while.
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DVA7130
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Posted onPost created on
May 18 2010 20:19 ET by Ryan Morse
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oh yes skylar
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50 State Club
Commuter Conquest
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Quincentenary Club
"...and don't call me Shirley"
Hillsboro, OR USA
507 legs, 1,438.9 hours
4 legs,
3.7 hours online
506 legs,
1,436.4 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
May 19 2010 18:31 ET by Jack Vogel
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Would have thought pilots (or wannabe pilots) would be a more enlightened breed, ya'll sound like a bunch
of truck driving rednecks, should be ashamed of yourselves
So, I expect you all think that you should speak flawless Deutsch when in Germany, and Dutch when
coming in to Amsterdam, right??? Learn to have some tolerance and be a citizen of the world boys!!!
That being said, the first time I flew out of Heathrow and heard that phrase I expected to
see a big line of planes when I got to the runway 
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DVA3710
Senior Captain, DC-6
OLP, COMM
Joined on November 12 2006
B757 100 Club
50 State Club
Quatercentenary Club
Piston Prop 100 Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"God is my pilot. I'm just the First Officer."
Apopka, FL
432 legs, 690.6 hours
35 legs,
60.8 hours online
385 legs,
620.1 hours ACARS
6 legs,
7.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 19 2010 19:26 ET by Sid Dudley
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Jack Vogel wrote:
ya'll sound like a bunch of truck driving rednecks
I am a truck driving redneck AND a pilot. 
Sid DudleySenior Captain, DC-6
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DVA3952
Captain, MD-88
Joined on September 07 2006
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"Airbus, Mcdonnell Douglas"
Chicago, IL USA
85 legs, 161.3 hours
51 legs,
106.0 hours online
77 legs,
141.3 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
May 20 2010 15:46 ET by Alex Jevdic
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Skylar Macminn wrote:
Michael Brown wrote:
Anyone else notice how old the thread is?
Apparently people think it's okay/funny to bump old threads that have been dead for a while.
Lot of other forums I belong to prefer threads to be re dug vs new threads created on the same subject, so I wouldn't pounce on people digging up threads that a only a few months old. As for the topic I really don't see whats the big deal, if "line up and wait" is easier on the tongue then why not change?
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DVA1580
Captain, B767-300
COMM
Joined on March 16 2004
Century Club
Everett Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
Caryville, TN USA
199 legs, 476.5 hours
70 legs,
168.4 hours online
84 legs,
232.9 hours ACARS
4 legs,
10.4 hours event
27 legs dispatched, 71.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
May 20 2010 17:50 ET by Scott Breuer
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Im one of those truck drivin red necks as well......and I fly........whos talking about tolerance?
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