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Posted onPost created on April 03 2010 08:15 ET by Ryan Strad

I'm trying to be realistic as possible to the Delta MD-88. I was wondering if anyone could help me with the config on how to do that.

Do Deltas MD-88 PFDs have a Pitch Limit Indicator or Rising Runway?
Do they have Autobrakes or Auto-arm altitude?

Thanks!

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Posted onPost created on April 03 2010 08:26 ET by Joseph Schwab

The Delta 88's have both on the PFD's. Pitch Limit Indication AND Rising Runway.
They DO have autobrakes.

I am not Autoflight qual yet, so I cannot at this time answer your question about the auto-arm alt. I will confer with a captian on a tru flight and advise.

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Posted onPost created on April 03 2010 08:40 ET by Daniel Shaw

Delta also uses the dual cue flight director so you'll want to change that option as well.

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Posted onPost created on April 03 2010 11:59 ET by Matthew Kerby

Anyone want to enlighten me on how to get the auto throttle to work? This is the only major problem I'm having with this plane. I put in a number, say 230K and it will scream up to 270 or higher then waaay back down to 190 then back up again. This is spectacular especially when under 10,000 feet.

Also once I'm well into my climb it doesn't seem to know how to not lose an engines. It always over speeds or exceeds RPM Limits and the engine dies. I've tried both the FMS override EPR limit button but I don't seem to notice a difference.

The weird thing is i had no problems whatsoever on my CR but now I can't get the AT to work for the life of me. Other than that its a great plane but im tired of controlling the throttle manually all the time.

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Posted onPost created on April 03 2010 16:08 ET by Terry Kocher

Matthew, you will never firewall the throttles on the Maddog. Ever. In fact, you will rarely even touch the the throttles after you line up on the runway. You set either TO (blue light) or TO FLEX (yellow light) on the TRC, if you set TO FLEX you'll want to disengage the ART switch and compute your derate temp.

When you are taxiing to the runway, you'll engage both flight directors and by clicking the throttles, engage the flight director takeoff mode. Once you are lined up in position, simply engage the auto throttle and takeoff power will automatically set. Accelerating down the runway CLMP mode engages. Simply put, the a/t motors are now 'clamped' to the throttle levers.

Climbing through 1800AGL, or 3000AGL if executing a noise abatement takeoff, select CLB on the TRC to set climb power. Usually at this point you can just engage VNAV and the EPR limit will be handled by the FMS as the plane maintains its vertical profile. Once you get to cruise, surprise surprise, select CRZ.

"GA" is selected when on final.

"MCT" stands for Maximum Continuous Thrust and should only be used in the event of an engine failure.

I suggest reading the manuals available for download at Flythemaddog.com - this plane is very complex. Yet highly addictive.

Terry Kocher (DVA2564)

Posted onPost created on April 03 2010 16:19 ET by Matthew Kerby

I guess I should have stated this. I've done the tutorial and read most of the manuals (that pertain to this anyways). I know not to firewall the engines, I don't have this problem when manually controlling the throttle. I just wanted to know why the A/T was so unreliable.

I've only had it be able to go into clamp mode once or twice, other than that it seems to never work.

Anyways, I'll give it another shot. I do love the plan just the one thing I'm having trouble with.
Thanks! If I have any more trouble I'm sure I'll complain somewhere smile

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Posted onPost created on April 03 2010 16:35 ET by J.T. Coston

Matthew, as Terry said about the throttles, make sure you click in between the two throttles when looking at the pedestal. When you click in between the 2 levers you should see TAK OFF on both sides of the FD display. Once you line up on the runway and increase your throttles up to 60%N1 then click the auto throttle on. Also make sure that you have the TO button clicked on the engine setting panel.

Send me an email if you can't get it working, I can get it up to speed for you and even maybe get you set up in a shared cockpit with me and I can give you a tutorial on it.

J.T.

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Posted onPost created on April 03 2010 17:07 ET by Matthew Kerby

Thanks for all the helpful answers. I'm about to take her up again now and will try everything above! I'll find out shortly how well I follow instructions smile

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Posted onPost created on April 03 2010 18:16 ET by Matthew Kerby

Ok, it seems I have it figured out. I don't know if its just my throttle but it seems like you have to leave your throttle in a certain spot for it to actually catch. I'm used to, after engaging A/T pulling my throttle back for some reason. I guess because its a visual key for me.

Anyways I dont know what I was or wasn't doing before but it seems its working now.

Thanks a bunch!

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Posted onPost created on April 03 2010 18:37 ET by Ryan Strad

Thanks for the info guys. Also just got FS2Crew for this baby....I plan on trying to do a first flight with her tonight! Lots of reading!

Ryan Strad (DVA689)

Posted onPost created on April 03 2010 19:51 ET by Joseph Schwab

FS2Crew is awsome! Enjoy it!

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Posted onPost created on April 03 2010 23:00 ET by Perez Howson

dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is awesome with the shared cockpit.... JT just talked me into it.... which they had it for the 757 evilgrin

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Posted onPost created on April 04 2010 00:09 ET by Lindsey Wiebe

to engage a/t on take off the epr needs to be below 1.16 i believe.

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Posted onPost created on April 04 2010 01:22 ET by Kyle Weber

I think part of the problem is that hardware throttle position seems to override FS throttle position. I can't seem to get the hang of pitch over speed modes when clamp is reverted to, then its an interesting fight with my joystick. I've also noticed VNAV is fairly unreliable in meeting climb/descent restrictions too. Seemed to disregard my climb restrictions on the PECOP2 today and only calculated me needing 9 nm to descend from FL320 to FL190/250 kts on the SAYGE6 last night. I've been resorting to vert speed and spd sel modes mostly for my climbs and descents with VNAV at cruise.

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Posted onPost created on April 04 2010 13:24 ET by Joseph Schwab

Kyle, is your "Enable thrust axis filter in CLAMP mode for takeoff" checked in the setup manager?

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Posted onPost created on April 04 2010 13:51 ET by J.T. Coston

Also make sure the box that says "autopilot disconnects when flight controls are moved manually" is unchecked. That could possibly help you out as well.

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Posted onPost created on April 04 2010 16:23 ET by Kyle Weber

Yes, they are. Unfortunately, the combination of thrust/hardware issues with VNAV inconsistancy and ambiant sound stuttering are really frustrating for me.

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Posted onPost created on April 05 2010 10:25 ET by Evangelos Kagklis

What is the option PFD wired to opposite NAV?

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Posted onPost created on April 05 2010 11:47 ET by Matthew Kerby

Evangelos Kagklis wrote:

What is the option PFD wired to opposite NAV?

I'm 99 percent sure its for if you want to fly in the co pilot position it wires the autopilot to follow your nav input and not the captains. As I recall if you're in the co pilot position and you dial in a frequency like for a localizer it will show up on your display but it wont actually follow that path. Enabling this allows it to follow it.

I could be wrong though. smile

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Posted onPost created on April 05 2010 11:59 ET by Joseph Schwab

From the manual:

PFD on opposite NAV. Set this option to visualize the G/S scale of the opposite NAV (NAV2 for PFD1 and NAV1 for PFD2).

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Posted onPost created on April 05 2010 12:26 ET by Evangelos Kagklis

Yeah the manual says that... But still i dont understand... G/S? i dont think is the glideslope in this case

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Posted onPost created on April 05 2010 22:08 ET by Kyle Weber

Ahh it seemed to indeed be the autothrottles moving causing the sound stuttering; wonder if the continuous spurts of sound has anything to do with my hardware throttle like I've mentioned on a few threads. Don't know why it bothers me so much but it just really irritated me...but trading off a bit of realism to give my ears a break is fine by me.

Kyle Weber (DVA1379)

Posted onPost created on April 05 2010 23:59 ET by Daniel Shaw

Kyle Weber wrote:

Ahh it seemed to indeed be the autothrottles moving causing the sound stuttering; wonder if the continuous spurts of sound has anything to do with my hardware throttle like I've mentioned on a few threads. Don't know why it bothers me so much but it just really irritated me...but trading off a bit of realism to give my ears a break is fine by me.

The sound when the throttles move is a normal thing. The MD88 is an OLD bird and it has alot of strange noises. The sound you hear when the throttles move is the auto throttle servos moving the throttle levers.

Having spent lots of time around the MD88 when I worked for Delta, I can tell you the sound set with the Maddog 08 is as close to the real thing as I've ever heard.

Daniel Shaw

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Posted onPost created on April 06 2010 04:21 ET by Terry Kocher

Multicrew is fantastic. Would love to do a session with you sometime!

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Posted onPost created on April 06 2010 09:53 ET by Kyle Weber

Even if it is real, I'm not positive the sound I'm hearing is correct, as the throttles move it sounds like a motor sound starts to play, then crackles. Happens maybe every 2 seconds or so. But, I'm content with having turned it off all together.

And I'd be up for multicrew as well.

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Posted onPost created on April 06 2010 18:08 ET by Tyler Hanus

that sound is the auto throttle servo's

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Posted onPost created on April 07 2010 00:20 ET by Kyle Weber

So I'm aware from the other posts here wink

- but what I'm saying is that there is a static/crackle at the end of everytime it plays, hence why I've now isolated and muted it.

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Posted onPost created on April 30 2010 15:52 ET by Teofilo Homsany

I also have the CH Throttle set and when I engage the Autothrottle, it goes out of proportions when using it for takeoffs and cruise. Usually when I enable VNAV on climbs it stabilizes but when it reaches crusing altitude it takes my aircraft into overspeed.
Is there a way to get around this so the Maddog works well with the CH Throttle quadrant?

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Posted onPost created on April 30 2010 18:36 ET by Trevor Bair

I use the CH TQ with the MD08 without any problems... Seems like I had to check (or maybe, uncheck) the "Exclude Throttle Set" checkbox in FSUIPC. I'm not at my computer now so I can't confirm the setting, but play around with that checkbox and see what it does for you.

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Posted onPost created on May 01 2010 21:02 ET by Joseph Schwab

Kyle Weber wrote:

Even if it is real, I'm not positive the sound I'm hearing is correct, as the throttles move it sounds like a motor sound starts to play, then crackles. Happens maybe every 2 seconds or so. But, I'm content with having turned it off all together.

And I'd be up for multicrew as well.

That sounds like stab trim... is it on app or dep? Could also very well be Autothrottle too, but I have worked around MD88's so long.. i dont even really pay attention to the ambient sounds..

Daniel Shaw wrote:

Having spent lots of time around the MD88 when I worked for Delta, I can tell you the sound set with the Maddog 08 is as close to the real thing as I've ever heard.

I second that! +1 rawk

Posted onPost created on May 01 2010 21:29 ET by Kyle Weber

Like I said, turning off the autothrottle audio fixed it wink

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