Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler - 747 equipment and rating

Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | Airline Operations | 747 equipment and rating

DVA5919
Captain, MD-11

Joined on May 13 2008
Everett Century Club
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Commuter Conquest
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Quincentenary Club

"...and don't call me Shirley"
Hillsboro, OR USA

507 legs, 1,438.9 hours
4 legs, 3.7 hours online
506 legs, 1,436.4 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 14 2010 13:22 ET by Jack Vogel

I just noticed last night that there is a 747-400FEX or something like that in the ACARS list, and also
noticed I'm not rated for it. Can someone tell me what it is? Am at work so I can't get at ACARS to
double check on what it was called.

I guess I'll have to do get the 747 rating smile

Thanks guys,

Jack Vogel

Captain, MD-11

DVA7329
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on September 04 2008
Double Century Club

Middle East

256 legs, 315.9 hours
90 legs, 127.3 hours online
252 legs, 309.2 hours ACARS
3 legs, 6.4 hours event
542 legs, 1,162.4 hours total

Posted onPost created on April 14 2010 14:20 ET by Rabee Jibren

Its Extended range freighter.
i have the 747 rating, but not rated for it.
might be fixed soon

Rabee Jibren (DVA7329)

Posted onPost created on April 14 2010 17:06 ET by Jack Vogel

Oh, hmmm, so why is it being differentiated, is this the same as the 747-8i?

And if "fixed" will it be be available to all that have 747 rating now, or is this
something for only those with the newer category rating?

This question is more for the CP/ACP or whoever can speak authoritatively to it smile

Jack Vogel

Captain, MD-11

DVA7899
Captain, B737-800

Joined on October 29 2009
Online Double Century Club
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Triple Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary

"PMDG or go home :)"
Springfield, MO USA

304 legs, 743.8 hours
283 legs, 682.2 hours online
303 legs, 740.0 hours ACARS
30 legs, 47.9 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 14 2010 17:08 ET by Skylar Macminn

The 747-400ERF would be different than the 747-8. They are two different birds.

Pulled from Wiki:

The 747-400ERF is the freight version of the -400ER, launched on April 30, 2001.[7] The -400ERF was delivered to Air France (via ILFC) on October 17, 2002. The 747-400ERF has a maximum takeoff weight of 910,000 pounds (412,000 kg) and a maximum payload of 248,600 pounds (112,760 kg). It offers the cargo airline the choice of either adding 22,000 pounds (9,980 kg) more payload than other 747-400 freighters, or adding 525 nautical miles (972 km) to the maximum range.[11] It has a maximum range of 5,700 miles (9,200 km), about 326 miles (525 km) farther than other 747-400 freighters, and has a strengthened fuselage, landing gear and parts of its wing, along with new, larger tires.

Boeing has delivered 40 Boeing 747-400ERFs with no outstanding orders as of 2009.[3] The last 747-400, a -400ERF was delivered on December 22, 2009.[5] The new 747-8 Freighter will have more payload capacity but less range than the 747-400ERF.

Posted onPost created on April 14 2010 17:17 ET by Jack Vogel

Oh, ERF, that was the part I wasnt sure about since I'm not where I can run ACARS, thanks smile

So now my question is, does PMDG actually differentiate this plane, and if they don't then why is
our category going to mean anything?? I have been flying the 747-8 already anyway, I love it,
and it gives you the range of the 777 smile

Thanks for the info Skylar.

Jack Vogel

Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on April 14 2010 17:28 ET by Skylar Macminn

PMDG only modeled the -400 and the -400f. The differences between the ER, ERF, etc are very minimal in regards to what you can do with it in FSX.

The -8I extension is simply a graphics overlay over the underlying basic schematics of the -400 they originally developed for FS9 then ported over (with changes including the fuel system). The payloads and flight dynamics are the same, but the sounds and visuals (aside from the cockpit/vc) are different.

Now the RW -8I will go much further and has a greater capacity, but that isn't what PMDG did with it.

As far as the PMDG freighter version goes, I believe the only significant variation from the -400X is a few key points in the cockpit/vc, and maybe the payload (slightly) - aside from that I believe it is still the same basic plane. The biggest difference with the freighter is the doors you can open, the nose-cargo opening, and a few extra eye-candy vehicles you can bring up (stairways, loading vehicles, etc).

As far as I can tell, the 400ERF has a few components modified from the original Freighter, but you really wouldn't be able to notice any of it in a simulated situation such as with FSX.

I am, however, interested in finding out what this -400ERF in ACARS is meaning -- maybe they are adding in freighter routes or something? Who knows.

Skylar Macminn (DVA7899)

DVA2724
Senior Captain, L-1011-100

Joined on December 04 2005
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"Long Live the TRISTAR!!"
Concord, GA USA

714 legs, 3,467.6 hours
43 legs, 80.2 hours online
466 legs, 2,709.6 hours ACARS
5 legs dispatched, 26.7 hours

Posted onPost created on April 14 2010 18:21 ET by Ken Nesbitt

Guys,

We are aware of this. Generally, Sterling and I are the only ones who add/subtract aircraft. We are not sure why or who created this aircraft but I have removed it from the list for the time being. We are not saying that it will not come back or that we won't have it in the future but none of us on Operations/SS have disucussed it. We will let you know any updates.

CHEERS

Ken Nesbitt

Senior Captain, L-1011-100

Posted onPost created on April 14 2010 20:31 ET by Jack Vogel

Thanks for the resolution Ken.

Best regards,

Jack Vogel

Captain, MD-11

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