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Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | PC Support | New PC, please give insight...
DVA5259
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on November 15 2007

Sacramento, CA USA

45 legs, 70.4 hours
5 legs, 9.1 hours online
43 legs, 66.5 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 18:21 ET by Daniel Haro
So I'm going to build a new Flight Sim Desktop with my Student Loan:

From Newegg:

Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Video Card: GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
PSU: CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-650HX 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power
Processor: Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBRL
HDD1: Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10000 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
HDD2: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Monitor: ASUS VW195T-P Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
Optical Drive: LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner - Bulk SATA WH10LS30 LightScribe Support - OEM
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Full

Total Cost: $1,589.83

How does this look? I'm open for honest opinions.
If there's anything I can take out or reduce in cost let me know.

I'm giving my current rig to my father. My current one has many hiccups and can't render 3D Clouds too well which is a real bummer.
I'll be using it for FS9 primarily and if I can FSX.

-Daniel

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200
DVA7899
Captain, B737-800

Joined on October 29 2009
Online Double Century Club
Long Beach Century Club
Triple Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary

"PMDG or go home :)"
Springfield, MO USA

304 legs, 743.8 hours
283 legs, 682.2 hours online
303 legs, 740.0 hours ACARS
30 legs, 47.9 hours event
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 18:26 ET by Skylar Macminn
Get a 750W PSU honestly, or larger. Gives you the option to run that 460 in SLI later.


DVA3196
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP, COMM

Joined on June 03 2006
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
Six Century Club

"pitchpowertrim.com"
Anderson, MO

619 legs, 1,093.4 hours
292 legs, 503.1 hours online
580 legs, 1,026.5 hours ACARS
89 legs, 191.0 hours event
236 legs dispatched, 110.1 hours
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 18:27 ET by Michael Brown
Whats your budget?


AFV348
Captain, B747-400

Joined on April 13 2006
International Tourist
Diplomatic Mission
50 State Club
Online Two Fifty Club
Quinticentenary Club

"fly a heavy or dont fly at all"
Northeastern United States

536 legs, 1,889.5 hours
443 legs, 1,401.1 hours online
515 legs, 1,789.3 hours ACARS
20 legs, 68.7 hours event
842 legs, 2,782.9 hours total
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 18:37 ET by Michael Schlabowske
go with the i5 instead of the 7, you can get the same results from overclocking, runs cooler, and runs with less power, other then that, id say your gonna love your Flight Simming experience on that rig
DVA3419
Captain, MD-88

Joined on July 31 2006
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary

"Propellers keep you kewl!"
Newark, DE

67 legs, 89.6 hours
61 legs, 82.8 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 19:16 ET by Norm Hare
Make sure its the 64bit OS so your system can take full advantage of the 5gb memory addressing. (4gb ram + 1 gb video ram). I mentioned this on another thread, but I dont really think a 1tb hard drive is necessary. I don't know what the price points are, but 500gb will probably suffice. Two 10k RPM drives would be optimum...15k if they are available, but would probably be pricy.


DVA5259
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on November 15 2007

Sacramento, CA USA

45 legs, 70.4 hours
5 legs, 9.1 hours online
43 legs, 66.5 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 19:58 ET by Daniel Haro
Im trying to keep it close to $1500,

I'll consider the 750W PSU
Regarding i5, what is the difference to the i7? I'm just power greedy biggrin

I heard 32-Bit can recognize more than 4GB of RAM... is the 64-Bit really necessary?
Also should I buy the Full Windows 7 OS or the OEM package for System Builders?

Windows 7 Home Premium is cheaper as OEM for System Builders priced at $99.
In regards to the memory is a CAS Latency of 9-9-9-24 good?

-Daniel

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200
AFV348
Captain, B747-400

Joined on April 13 2006
International Tourist
Diplomatic Mission
50 State Club
Online Two Fifty Club
Quinticentenary Club

"fly a heavy or dont fly at all"
Northeastern United States

536 legs, 1,889.5 hours
443 legs, 1,401.1 hours online
515 legs, 1,789.3 hours ACARS
20 legs, 68.7 hours event
842 legs, 2,782.9 hours total
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 20:04 ET by Michael Schlabowske
64 bit is 100 percent necesary if you want to run 64 bit programs as well as load her up in RAM. Always but the best you can afford, if you can afford the i7, by all means scoop it up. Me i run win 7 64 bit Ultimate. Its got more features, if you want to know more, head over to microsofts site and compare-----> http://store.microsoft.com/Windows7/Compare

but mine was an upgrade from vista so i surely didnt pay 319 for it, i bought the upgrade
DVA5259
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on November 15 2007

Sacramento, CA USA

45 legs, 70.4 hours
5 legs, 9.1 hours online
43 legs, 66.5 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 20:09 ET by Daniel Haro
I'm thinking Windows 7 Professional would be best suited.

I believe FSX and FS2004 should be made to run in Windows XP mode correct?

-Daniel

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200
DVA7899
Captain, B737-800

Joined on October 29 2009
Online Double Century Club
Long Beach Century Club
Triple Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary

"PMDG or go home :)"
Springfield, MO USA

304 legs, 743.8 hours
283 legs, 682.2 hours online
303 legs, 740.0 hours ACARS
30 legs, 47.9 hours event
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 20:10 ET by Skylar Macminn
OEM is the same thing as the full version, only difference is you cannot take that CD and install it on a new PC with a different motherboard.

You NEED 64bit. 32 bit will only read 3 1/2 gigs of your memory. Get 64bit so you can later upgrade to more ram if you choose.


DVA5259
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on November 15 2007

Sacramento, CA USA

45 legs, 70.4 hours
5 legs, 9.1 hours online
43 legs, 66.5 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 20:25 ET by Daniel Haro
I have Vista 64 Bit at the moment it does run the full 4GB but from what I've heard is that Windows 7 can accept 4GB of RAM on 32-Bit.

I'll end up buying the 64-Bit I guess.

-Daniel

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200
DVA5259
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on November 15 2007

Sacramento, CA USA

45 legs, 70.4 hours
5 legs, 9.1 hours online
43 legs, 66.5 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 22:55 ET by Daniel Haro
Can someone answer my unanswered questions that were skipped above? Thanks smile

-Daniel

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200
DVA7899
Captain, B737-800

Joined on October 29 2009
Online Double Century Club
Long Beach Century Club
Triple Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary

"PMDG or go home :)"
Springfield, MO USA

304 legs, 743.8 hours
283 legs, 682.2 hours online
303 legs, 740.0 hours ACARS
30 legs, 47.9 hours event
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 23:04 ET by Skylar Macminn
Daniel Haro wrote:

I have Vista 64 Bit at the moment it does run the full 4GB but from what I've heard is that Windows 7 can accept 4GB of RAM on 32-Bit.

I'll end up buying the 64-Bit I guess.

-Daniel

No. It will only read 3 1/2 of the 4.


And no don't run either in XP compatibility mode.



DVA5259
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on November 15 2007

Sacramento, CA USA

45 legs, 70.4 hours
5 legs, 9.1 hours online
43 legs, 66.5 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 12 2010 23:43 ET by Daniel Haro
So I'm guessing Windows 7 has the best performance now that we dont even have to run in XP Compatibility mode?

Then I don't need the Professional or Ultimate really do I?

Thanks for clarifying. smile

I'm hoping that building the computer myself using my Stafford Loan money for $5500 isn't out of the question.
I want it for school work but as well for FS and such. I'm receiving direct deposit and I hear all these rumors that you can use the money for anything but as the person I am, I worry and quesiton always first.

-Daniel

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200
DVA8977
Captain, B757-200

Joined on August 30 2010

Hammond, IN USA

15 legs, 32.3 hours
1 legs, 1.8 hours online
14 legs, 31.1 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 13 2010 00:05 ET by Santino Cid
You will want a different kit of RAM. What you have now is dual channel; the Intel 9xx series will run best on triple channel. Mushkin is pretty good: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226102

Santino Cid

Captain, B757-200
DVA5259
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on November 15 2007

Sacramento, CA USA

45 legs, 70.4 hours
5 legs, 9.1 hours online
43 legs, 66.5 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 13 2010 00:14 ET by Daniel Haro
Wow thanks! I added that to my list.

But now with everything suggested im looking at a price of $1599 lol.
I had to remove the Velociraptor and well im down to $1459.

I've replaced it with this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136544

It has 6.0GB/s, 64MB Cache and 7200RPM.

-Daniel

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200
DVA3707
First Officer, B737-800

Joined on November 11 2006
Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary

Western United States

111 legs, 214.7 hours
67 legs, 117.3 hours online
106 legs, 206.5 hours ACARS
2 legs, 3.2 hours event
 Posted onPost created on September 13 2010 00:45 ET by Andrew Martz
Regarding Windows 7, it looks like you already know, but definitely go with OEM. You save a boat load of cash. Also, keep an eye out for bundle deals. I just recently built a machine for a different purpose, and a bundle showed up that got me Windows 7 for $80. (or half of the case, depends on how you look at it).

Andrew Martz

First Officer, B737-800
DVA5259
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on November 15 2007

Sacramento, CA USA

45 legs, 70.4 hours
5 legs, 9.1 hours online
43 legs, 66.5 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 13 2010 01:43 ET by Daniel Haro
Thanks sounds good will do. wink

-Daniel

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200
DVA5259
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on November 15 2007

Sacramento, CA USA

45 legs, 70.4 hours
5 legs, 9.1 hours online
43 legs, 66.5 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 21 2010 23:59 ET by Daniel Haro
As a bump, is the GTX 260 generally a good video card for FS2004 and FSX?
I don't see much videos on youtube with people using it for FS.

Those that I have seen, it seems like their system is bottlenecked or either bad configuration.

Also is there any bottlenecks/compatibility problems that you can see in my configuration?
If someone could please analyze the products for me as well, that'd be great and much appreciated. smile
On another note can the i7 be overclocked easily to 3.80GHz at least?

You can find the products at Newegg.


Case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Motherboard:
GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Video Card:
GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support

PSU:
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC

Processor:
Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950

Memory:
Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model 998781

HDD:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6402AAEX 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

Optical Drive:
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional OEM

Total Cost: $1,152.91


If you've noticed I've managed to cut down my cost. wink

-Daniel

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200
DVA7899
Captain, B737-800

Joined on October 29 2009
Online Double Century Club
Long Beach Century Club
Triple Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary

"PMDG or go home :)"
Springfield, MO USA

304 legs, 743.8 hours
283 legs, 682.2 hours online
303 legs, 740.0 hours ACARS
30 legs, 47.9 hours event
 Posted onPost created on September 22 2010 00:18 ET by Skylar Macminn
I have my intel i7 920 D0 overclocked to 4.0Ghz on an H50 cooler, so I imagine with modifying the voltage on your 950 you can do it.

Go with the 460 tbh -- DX11 support is being added to new games, and I guarantee it will be with the new Microsoft Flight game.

Edit:

Generally speaking, your largest bottleneck will be your Hard Drive (Lower RPM). The 460 is a super card for the price range, and the 950 with a sizable overclock will be great. Your only issue will be the hard drive (I'm talking a 7200rpm hard drive vs a Solid State (SDD).


DVA5259
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on November 15 2007

Sacramento, CA USA

45 legs, 70.4 hours
5 legs, 9.1 hours online
43 legs, 66.5 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 22 2010 00:27 ET by Daniel Haro
Oops I noticed I wrote GTX 260 instead of GTX 460 haha. Sorry.

Yes I'll be going with the GTX 460 then.

I'll keep looking at the Hard Drives too.
Thanks!

-Daniel

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200

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