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Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | DVA2006 | Coolsky + Maddog = Cool Dog
DVA8562
Captain, B747-400

Joined on April 30 2010
50 State Club
Double Century Club

"...and I was gonna learn to fly. HC"
Prescott Valley, AZ

230 legs, 449.5 hours
229 legs, 448.1 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 24 2010 21:57 ET by Robert Delorenzo
It's been a while since I took this old dog for a walk...but it is actually a very nice version of the very first "Maddog"...The Super 80 (MD81)...BTW...it should not to be confused with the Super 80 Pro...

The Super 80 was very complex for it's time...with many automated systems (modeled very nicely) that were considered cutting edge...For instance...

"The LTN-31l Omega/VLF Navigation System (ONS) is a worldwide, all-weather navigation system.The system processes the signals transmitted by selected very low frequency Omega Navigation and VLF communication stations to determine the airplane's position in terms of latitude and longitude."

Basically...it was a hybrid system...it bridged the gap between the older INS units and the newer GPS/FMS based systems that we know and love today...

The Coolsky developers did a superb job with this aircraft and in doing so provided the FS community with an important "missing link" in the maddog pedigree and the evolution of modern navigational equipment and automation...

It's the "Goldie Locks" of navigational systems...and for this reason I like it alot...it provides me with a welcomed change of pace when I start to get bored with too much (FMS/GPS) or too little (VOR/INS) automation... smile

It's very... cool

Edit: Does anyone know if this version of the MD80 was actually used in the RW at any time by Delta Airlines?

Robert Delorenzo

Captain, B747-400
DVA6540
Captain, B777-200

Joined on October 20 2008
Double Century Club
50 State Club

Caracas, Distrito Federal VE

240 legs, 562.2 hours
8 legs, 12.1 hours online
177 legs, 412.8 hours ACARS
12 legs, 23.1 hours event
363 legs, 903.4 hours total
 Posted onPost created on September 24 2010 22:06 ET by Augusto Casado
Nice pics Robert! Thanks for sharing them! biggrin


DVA8562
Captain, B747-400

Joined on April 30 2010
50 State Club
Double Century Club

"...and I was gonna learn to fly. HC"
Prescott Valley, AZ

230 legs, 449.5 hours
229 legs, 448.1 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 24 2010 22:11 ET by Robert Delorenzo
Augusto Casado wrote:

Nice pics Robert! Thanks for sharing them! :D


Mucho gusto...Augusto... smile

Robert Delorenzo

Captain, B747-400
DVA3931
Senior Captain, L-1011-100
OLP, COMM

Joined on January 19 2007
50 State Club
Tri-Jet Triumph
Million Mile Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
Flying Colonel
Globetrotter
Burbank 500 Club
Eurocap Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary

"De oppresso liber"
Surry, ME

1,882 legs, 3,806.7 hours
478 legs, 767.8 hours online
1,107 legs, 1,674.5 hours ACARS
55 legs, 114.8 hours event
195 legs dispatched, 134.4 hours
 Posted onPost created on September 25 2010 07:38 ET by Andrew Kaufmann
"Edit: Does anyone know if this version of the MD80 was actually used in the RW at any time by Delta Airlines? "

Yes

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N912DE
(N912DE)

Serial Number 49997
Type Registration Corporation
Manufacturer Name MCDONNELL DOUGLAS AIRCRAFT CO
Certificate Issue Date 01/29/1993
Model MD-88
Status Valid
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine
Type Engine Turbo-fan
Pending Number Change None
Date Change Authorized None
Mode S Code 53117151
MFR Year 1992

Registered Owner
Name DELTA AIR LINES INC
Street HARTSFIELD ATLANTA INTL ARPT 595
City ATLANTA State GEORGIA
County FULTON Zip Code 30320
Country UNITED STATES
Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer P & W Classification Standard
Engine Model JT8D SERIES Category Transport
A/W Date 12/17/1992


DVA8562
Captain, B747-400

Joined on April 30 2010
50 State Club
Double Century Club

"...and I was gonna learn to fly. HC"
Prescott Valley, AZ

230 legs, 449.5 hours
229 legs, 448.1 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 25 2010 08:33 ET by Robert Delorenzo
As ususal Andy (Mr. Link)...you have almost instantaneously provided a link to help answer a members question...and for that I thank you...

Now...I'm well aware of the fact that Delta currently uses MD88's...extensively...and they began maufactuing them in the early nineties...However, my question has more to do with the unique navigational system (ONS) that has been replicated in this particular version of the MD80...

The aircraft I'm interested in knowing about would probably have been a MD81 as opposed to an MD88...manufactured in the early 70's as opposed to the early 90's...

I'm looking for some historical perspective on how widespread the use of the ONS navigation system was in its day...I'm sure that by the early nineties it was considered obsolete and my research indicates that it was being "dismantled" bit by bit worldwide during that decade...but did the majority of airlines use it or only a select few...I tried researching this subject but details are sketchy...so I was hoping that someone here at DVA had some first or even second hand knowledge about it... confused smile

Robert Delorenzo

Captain, B747-400
DVA8446
First Officer, B737-800

Joined on February 19 2010

"Keep it Simple Stupid"
CO USA

67 legs, 143.3 hours
66 legs, 142.1 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 25 2010 09:26 ET by James Patterson
I know northwest had some MD80's they got in a merger (one was in the infamous NWA 255 crash), no idea if they made it this far.

James Patterson

First Officer, B737-800
DVA8562
Captain, B747-400

Joined on April 30 2010
50 State Club
Double Century Club

"...and I was gonna learn to fly. HC"
Prescott Valley, AZ

230 legs, 449.5 hours
229 legs, 448.1 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 25 2010 09:46 ET by Robert Delorenzo
James Patterson wrote:

I know northwest had some MD80's they got in a merger (one was in the infamous NWA 255 crash), no idea if they made it this far.


Hey James...thanks for posting...yes I remember that unfortunate accident...the crew did not go through the taxi checklist and subsequently "forgot" to set the slats/flaps for TO...a 4 year old girl was the only survivor...very sad...

BTW...do you happen to know what year Delta began flying MD80's (any version)...?

Robert Delorenzo

Captain, B747-400
DVA7666
Senior Captain, B747-400
OLP

Joined on August 18 2009
50 State Club
Online Seven Century Club
Two Million Mile Club
Globetrotter
Flying Colonel

"Food? Check. Ok, let's go."
Tyler, TX USA

1,500 legs, 5,694.3 hours
1,086 legs, 3,187.7 hours online
1,452 legs, 5,509.8 hours ACARS
77 legs, 201.9 hours event
3,500 legs, 11,636.4 hours total
 Posted onPost created on September 25 2010 10:23 ET by Jacob Miller
nice pics and i love the title Robert


DVA8562
Captain, B747-400

Joined on April 30 2010
50 State Club
Double Century Club

"...and I was gonna learn to fly. HC"
Prescott Valley, AZ

230 legs, 449.5 hours
229 legs, 448.1 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 25 2010 11:08 ET by Robert Delorenzo
Jacob Miller wrote:

nice pics and i love the title Robert


Hey Jacob...thanks for the appreciation... smile

Robert Delorenzo

Captain, B747-400
DVA5929
Senior Captain, B747-400
OLP

Joined on May 10 2008
Million Mile Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
Everett 500 Club
Globetrotter
Six Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary

"It's buried under a big W!"
TX USA

651 legs, 3,806.1 hours
472 legs, 2,922.9 hours online
565 legs, 3,319.5 hours ACARS
8 legs, 18.9 hours event
 Posted onPost created on September 25 2010 12:59 ET by Nicholas Carpenter
#2 is my fav, nice shots Robert! I can't answer your question though...

Nicholas Carpenter

Senior Captain, B747-400
DVA8562
Captain, B747-400

Joined on April 30 2010
50 State Club
Double Century Club

"...and I was gonna learn to fly. HC"
Prescott Valley, AZ

230 legs, 449.5 hours
229 legs, 448.1 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 25 2010 13:42 ET by Robert Delorenzo
Nicholas Carpenter wrote:

#2 is my fav, nice shots Robert! I can't answer your question though...


Hey Nick...thanks...but it's so funny to me that #2 is your favorite...I only included it to show how complex the thing is to fly...

Like all versions of DC-9 lineage...to varying degrees...it's almost a "Rube Goldberg" contraption...different systems are spread out over many different panels that are in turn located in many different places...it's fun to fly but it sure seems like it was designed by an "ergonomically challenged" engineer...it gives a "modern" pilot some perspective on just how easy they have it...

Just juxtapose this panel with it's diametrically opposite one...let's say...an Airbus A320...which is so ergonomically conscious as to be a utilitarian, one size fits all affair...But then again what do you expect from European engineers whose credo is "form follows function"...Eventually there will only be one lever in their cockpits: UP/Down... biggrin

Edit: I know it's a scary thought for you Nick...but Boing is moving swiftly in the same general direction...just look at the T7 and 787 cockpits...if they were light blue you could almost mistake them for an Airbus... eek evilgrin

Robert Delorenzo

Captain, B747-400
DVA5929
Senior Captain, B747-400
OLP

Joined on May 10 2008
Million Mile Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
Everett 500 Club
Globetrotter
Six Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary

"It's buried under a big W!"
TX USA

651 legs, 3,806.1 hours
472 legs, 2,922.9 hours online
565 legs, 3,319.5 hours ACARS
8 legs, 18.9 hours event
 Posted onPost created on September 25 2010 14:29 ET by Nicholas Carpenter
Robert Delorenzo wrote:

Just juxtapose this panel with it's diametrically opposite one...let's say...an Airbus A320...which is so ergonomically conscious as to be a utilitarian, one size fits all affair...But then again what do you expect from European engineers whose credo is "form follows function"...Eventually there will only be one lever in their cockpits: UP/Down... biggrin

Edit: I know it's a scary thought for you Nick...but Boing is moving swiftly in the same general direction...just look at the T7 and 787 cockpits...if they were light blue you could almost mistake them for an Airbus... eek evilgrin


http://www.flying4u.net/zboard/data/787/1183783350/DC9_v_A3201.jpg -like this? wink

That's what's got me worried about the 748, the inside has too many screens... Take a look here: http://www.boeing.com/newairplane/747/design_highlights/ It's actually a pretty neat site about the 747-800.



Nicholas Carpenter

Senior Captain, B747-400
DVA8562
Captain, B747-400

Joined on April 30 2010
50 State Club
Double Century Club

"...and I was gonna learn to fly. HC"
Prescott Valley, AZ

230 legs, 449.5 hours
229 legs, 448.1 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 25 2010 14:40 ET by Robert Delorenzo
Nicholas Carpenter wrote:

Robert Delorenzo wrote:

Just juxtapose this panel with it's diametrically opposite one...let's say...an Airbus A320...which is so ergonomically conscious as to be a utilitarian, one size fits all affair...But then again what do you expect from European engineers whose credo is "form follows function"...Eventually there will only be one lever in their cockpits: UP/Down... biggrin

Edit: I know it's a scary thought for you Nick...but Boing is moving swiftly in the same general direction...just look at the T7 and 787 cockpits...if they were light blue you could almost mistake them for an Airbus... eek evilgrin


http://www.flying4u.net/zboard/data/787/1183783350/DC9_v_A3201.jpg -like this? wink

That's what's got me worried about the 748, the inside has too many screens... Take a look here: http://www.boeing.com/newairplane/747/design_highlights/ It's actually a pretty neat site about the 747-800.


Oh man...that's exactly what I was going for with my stupid remark...just perfect Nick...

Yes,,,I'm very familiar with that 747 link...thanks though...but I bet that was a real eye-opener... eek scared ...for you the first time you saw it... biggrin


Robert Delorenzo

Captain, B747-400
DVA8562
Captain, B747-400

Joined on April 30 2010
50 State Club
Double Century Club

"...and I was gonna learn to fly. HC"
Prescott Valley, AZ

230 legs, 449.5 hours
229 legs, 448.1 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on September 25 2010 14:45 ET by Robert Delorenzo
Nicholas Carpenter wrote:

#2 is my fav, nice shots Robert! I can't answer your question though...


Oh yea...I forgot to mention...of course you can't help answer my questiion...you never fly anything BUT that damn 747 for cryin' out loud... banghead razz rofl

Uh..Oh...my HD is starting to act up aga...

Robert Delorenzo

Captain, B747-400
DVA5929
Senior Captain, B747-400
OLP

Joined on May 10 2008
Million Mile Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
Everett 500 Club
Globetrotter
Six Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary

"It's buried under a big W!"
TX USA

651 legs, 3,806.1 hours
472 legs, 2,922.9 hours online
565 legs, 3,319.5 hours ACARS
8 legs, 18.9 hours event
 Posted onPost created on September 26 2010 10:27 ET by Nicholas Carpenter
rofl Tsk, Tsk, Tsk.

Nicholas Carpenter

Senior Captain, B747-400
DVA4485
Captain, B737-800
OLP

Joined on May 23 2007
Everett Century Club
Double Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Online Double Century Club

Great Falls, Mt USA

233 legs, 504.3 hours
217 legs, 479.6 hours online
229 legs, 497.2 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on October 09 2010 11:24 ET by Darren Esannason
Nice pics quick question...does the PFD display radial intercept lines/DME circles if entered in the FMC. I know its a limitation. Of another MD80 developer. Thanks in advance

Darren Esannason

Captain, B737-800
DVA8742
Captain, MD-88

Joined on May 19 2010
50 State Club
Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary

Southeastern United States

131 legs, 201.2 hours
125 legs, 192.0 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on October 10 2010 10:03 ET by David Knowles
James Patterson wrote:

I know northwest had some MD80's they got in a merger (one was in the infamous NWA 255 crash), no idea if they made it this far.


North Central (merged with Southern and Hughes Air West creating Republic) ordered the to compliment their fleet of 30s and 50s. Once they became Republic, they decided to keep their small order.... and get more later to retire the 727. Well "later" never happened. When they merged with Northwest Orient, NW had their eyes on Airbus to replace 727, but they went ahead and kept the 8 MD81/2s and their A320 order.

When NC ordered them, they were under the impression it would have the same cockpit as the -50 (basically, they wanted a stretched 50 with more powerful engines), but they weren't the same and they had to have a separate equipment program for 7 or 8 aircraft.

My father was a mechanic for RC and NW and when they decided to retire them in 1998, the VP came to MEM and sat down with the mechanics and told them that they were going to sell them to another airline (I think AA). He ended up convincing the VP that that was not what they needed to do and told them to scrap the planes.


Well, dad convinced them enough for this:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/McDonnell-Douglas-MD-82/0507175/&sid=145114fc44579fc6ada858fc37220d25


DVA3419
Captain, MD-88

Joined on July 31 2006
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary

"Propellers keep you kewl!"
Newark, DE

67 legs, 89.6 hours
61 legs, 82.8 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on November 15 2010 08:44 ET by Norm Hare
Robert,
I realize that your post is a month old, but this is a good way to find out about Delta's fleet first hand.

http://www.deltamuseum.org/M_Education_DeltaHistory_Aircraft.htm


DVA3382
Senior Captain, B717-200
OLP, COMM

Joined on July 26 2006
Event Half Century Club
50 State Club
Globetrotter
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Kangaroo Club
Three Million Mile Club
Tri-Millennium Club
Online Seven Century Club
Everett 1500 Club
White Knuckles Club

"Go For Launch"
Houston, TX

3,411 legs, 8,970.8 hours
720 legs, 1,205.6 hours online
3,349 legs, 8,811.6 hours ACARS
61 legs, 145.0 hours event
0 legs dispatched, 6.1 hours
 Posted onPost created on November 15 2010 10:39 ET by Ryan Daugherty
What about "Mad Cool" ?? smile

RD

Ryan Daugherty

Senior Captain, B717-200
DVA3438
Senior Captain, B717-200
OLP
E-MAIL

Joined on August 12 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Everett Bi-Millennium Club
US Coastal Club
US Mountaineer Club
Three Million Mile Club
Tri-Millennium Club
Events Century Club
Online Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary

Honolulu, HI

3,901 legs, 8,778.3 hours
1,366 legs, 2,824.5 hours online
3,760 legs, 8,263.1 hours ACARS
130 legs, 355.9 hours event
106 legs dispatched, 98.6 hours
 Posted onPost created on November 24 2010 19:24 ET by Kyle Catlin
Ryan Daugherty wrote:

What about "Mad Cool" ?? smile

RD


*facepalm* smile




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