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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 02:37 ET by Kyle Hatch

Hey guys!

Its that time again! Time to upgrade! I am running a LOT of addons and my processor I'm runnign now is starting to slow down with the addons. I am currently running an Intel E2200 @2.2Ghz. It is nice except for some stuttering in clouds and scenery. I run addons such as FSDT, PMDG, REX, Active Sky, etc. Here is the one I am looking at: E6700 @3.2Ghz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=19-116-370&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=3#scrollFullInfo I am hoping this will finally give me above 25fps everywhere and get rid of the stutters. Oh, I forgot to mention, I run FS9. Feedback would be great! Also, Im not able to spend over that amount so no i7 suggestions

Thanks!

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 08:21 ET by Vincenzo Musumeci

Kyle,
keep in mind that with FS9 is more important having a good graphic card to render the speed of your CPU!!!!

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 10:26 ET by Kenneth Dickerson

I understand budget, but if your going to upgrade you are better to save a few more pennies and go bigger when the pig squeals. The best bang for the buck I would recommend the AMD 1090 CPU (if you want to upgrade the mobo also), cost vs Processor Power is really good. I just built a homebrew 2 weeks ago just for Flight Sim. AMD 1090, 8 gigs ram 1.5v, Gigabyte 890 Mobo (advantage here is the the new boards come out with the new SATA and USB high speed ports), Nvidia EVGA 560T GPU, 2 x WD 500 gig SATA 64meg cache 3 gig throughput HD's, and a WD Raptor 300 gig drive just for FSX to sit in.
I did my home work and tested this against another system that I have that is Intel 920 on a X58 EVGA board with a 470 Nvidia Card, the new system was 2x faster than my older system.
Note: Flight simulator yes does need a good Graphics card, but for fluid movement with high quality it is all about the CPU and Memory. I run a utility proram that monitors continuous the GPU and CPU. If I were to play Crysys you see the GPU really working its butt off, but when I run FSX the 560T is usually running at 40 to 60% but the CPU is working at 50 to 80% with spikes around 90.
Frame rate on my new system is a smooth 40 so it moves seemlessly.

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 11:43 ET by Kyle Hatch

Vincenzo Musumeci wrote:

Kyle,
keep in mind that with FS9 is more important having a good graphic card to render the speed of your CPU!!!!

I have been told different. All the FS "geeks" I've talked to say FS is more CPU demanding than it is GPU. My GPU is powerful enough and the most use I've ever seen it at was 30%. However, my CPU is running at 97% almost all of the time.

Kenneth Dickerson wrote:

I understand budget, but if your going to upgrade you are better to save a few more pennies and go bigger when the pig squeals. The best bang for the buck I would recommend the AMD 1090 CPU (if you want to upgrade the mobo also), cost vs Processor Power is really good. I just built a homebrew 2 weeks ago just for Flight Sim. AMD 1090, 8 gigs ram 1.5v, Gigabyte 890 Mobo (advantage here is the the new boards come out with the new SATA and USB high speed ports), Nvidia EVGA 560T GPU, 2 x WD 500 gig SATA 64meg cache 3 gig throughput HD's, and a WD Raptor 300 gig drive just for FSX to sit in.
I did my home work and tested this against another system that I have that is Intel 920 on a X58 EVGA board with a 470 Nvidia Card, the new system was 2x faster than my older system.
Note: Flight simulator yes does need a good Graphics card, but for fluid movement with high quality it is all about the CPU and Memory. I run a utility proram that monitors continuous the GPU and CPU. If I were to play Crysys you see the GPU really working its butt off, but when I run FSX the 560T is usually running at 40 to 60% but the CPU is working at 50 to 80% with spikes around 90.
Frame rate on my new system is a smooth 40 so it moves seemlessly.

Thanks for the suggestion and I would LOVE to upgrade the mobo AND cpu but I honestly can't spend more than just a CPU upgrade. Funny thing is, when I "built" this system, I was told it would be able to run FSX. It can, but only about 16fps. If I upgrade to this CPU my specs would be:

Intel E6700 @ 3.2Ghz
nVidia geForce 9800GT 1024MB
4GB DDR2 Dual Channel RAM
Windows 7 64 bit

I hope that will finally be giving over 25fps all the time with FS9!
Thanks for the help guys! wink

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 11:51 ET by Jesse Kovacs

Kyle Hatch wrote:

My GPU is powerful enough and the most use I've ever seen it at was 30%. However, my CPU is running at 97% almost all of the time.

I run into this, too. My GPU rarely gets to 50% usage, although my processor is using less than yours. Probably 40-60% depending. I get consistent 20's-30's at high density payware airports, and well into the 100's outside of that. Question is, is there anyway to force more production out of the CPU/GPU to get the high density up to say the 50's or 60's? It's a little aggravating to see only 20 fps when the GPU is only running at 30%!! Let it go full bore and give me more out of it!!

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 12:38 ET by Vincenzo Musumeci

Kyle,
can you please ask your FS geeks how FS9 (this is what you run) can be more CPU demanding where it uses just one core.....and I agree with Jesse on the memory!!!!!!

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 12:54 ET by Jesse Kovacs

Oh yeah, since I have it running now - my RAM usuage is only 1/3 of what I have (4.3GB/12GB)

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 12:54 ET by Kyle Hatch

Vincenzo Musumeci wrote:

Kyle,
can you please ask your FS geeks how FS9 (this is what you run) can be more CPU demanding where it uses just one core.....and I agree with Jesse on the memory!!!!!!

You can force it to use two cores via the "set affinity" option.

Alan Barber wrote:

And don't forget that FS is much more CPU than GPU intensive.

Ill ask the others again to get their explanation on it. I *should* have enough RAM especially since I am running dual channel DDR2 RAM.

Jesse Kovacs wrote:

Oh yeah, since I have it running now - my RAM usuage is only 1/3 of what I have (4.3GB/12GB)

Where do you go to find RAM usage?

Kyle Hatch (DVA4215)

Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 13:01 ET by Vincenzo Musumeci

Task Manager!!!!!!

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 13:08 ET by Kyle Hatch

Looking a little more into it, I see that the best CPU my mobo can support is the E6700 @2.66Ghz. This mean if I got the E6700 @3.2Ghz, it will not run. Well, I can't find a mobo in my price range that I like, so looks like I will be stuck with this setup for a while! rolleyes

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 17:13 ET by Alan Barber

Kyle - remind me what mobo you have, that seems to be an unusual CPU to max out at - also what firmware revisiion do you have.

Vincenzo - Bit puzzled by your logic, sorry, just because FS9 only uses one core why does this make it a non CPU intensive application? In my experience I have always noticed a bigger increase in performance when I upgrade CPU. In fact I recently had an e6750 clocked at 3.2 ghz fail on me. I had to put an E6700 which I could only clock to 3ghz. I lost approx 5-7 frames per second, however every other aspect of my setup was the same, most notably the graphics card which was an ATI HD5750. I would say that would go a long to proving that FS9 focuses more on CPU.

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 17:18 ET by Kyle Hatch

Alan, I have the Intel DG965RY. It is an older board, here is the supported CPU list: http://processormatch.intel.com/CompDB/SearchResult.aspx?Boardname=dg965ry And I am unsure on the firmware revision, not sure on how to check that either. If its the BIOS version, than its the latest. I am looking into this board: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/MSI+-+Micro+ATX+Desktop+P4/Core%26%23153%3B2+Duo/Quad+Motherboard+(Socket+LGA+775)/9486647.p?id=1218112690301&skuId=9486647 And then OC my E2200 with it and see what performance I get. I am on a very tight budget so I am kind of limited on the options I can get.
Thanks for all of your help Alan, good seeing you back on here too! cool

Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 17:28 ET by Alan Barber

Kyle - Google CPUID - thats a freeware prog that will help you find your bios revision #

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 17:36 ET by Alan Barber

Kyle - I might be able to get you a P35 Gigabyte board whcih you could have - obviously only worth it if the shipping is less than $50 - you could have it for nothing, all I'd ask is you cover shipping costs. I'll try and find out what that runs to. It's an older board and is ATX not MATX but it will open up a whole new avenue for you CPU wise. I've had an e6750 running at 3.0 ghz with stock cooling no probs on one of those. Here is the board http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/476

I'll also do a bit of research on what you can do overclock wise currently.

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 17:49 ET by Alan Barber

Kyle - I think you are probably wise to look at a mobo upgrade first - your options with your current setup are limited at best. I have just dug that board out - it's a bit older than I thought so not sure how much life would be in it - I'll find out what it would cost to send across the pond at least then you would have another option. Could you email me your zip code?

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 18:00 ET by Vincenzo Musumeci

Alan,
probably we don’t need to start a CPU vs GPU debate because my first post suggestions was just to keep in consideration the importance of having also a good video card to avoid any bottle neck in the system.
Regarding your example of loss of performance because of a less powerful Cpu, I believe it but in your case you forgot to mention (according to your pireps) that you run FSX, which is very demanding on the CPU wink

Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 18:12 ET by Alan Barber

Okay Vincenzo not a problem, sorry if I misunderstood your post - I have an on off relationship with FSX, mostly off - I think I've filed about a dozen pireps for FSX the rest are all FS9. Your point about a slow GPU creating a bottleneck is very true, a slow HDD/Memory would have a similar effect. I try and maintain a clean, healthy system but I will always ensure that my CPU is not getting bogged down with unnecessary tasks.

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Posted onPost created on May 06 2011 19:08 ET by Vincenzo Musumeci

Alan Barber wrote:

I try and maintain a clean, healthy system but I will always ensure that my CPU is not getting bogged down with unnecessary tasks.

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Posted onPost created on May 07 2011 11:01 ET by Ralph Templeman

you youngs flyers are so frustrating to me. I don't understand most of what you all say about computers. I have to have someone to build one for me.......How illeterate can I get.? judge

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Posted onPost created on May 08 2011 14:54 ET by Alan Barber

I wouldn't worry about it Bill - I like to think I know a fair bit about PC's but at the moment I'm stumped with my sons PC which keeps voluntarily restarting, it's driving me nuts - so in your case, trust me - ignorance can definately be bliss smile

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Posted onPost created on May 09 2011 08:26 ET by Brian Hankey

Alan - question... what operating system is Rhys running?

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Posted onPost created on May 09 2011 15:09 ET by Alan Barber

Hi Brian - XP Pro 32bit - I have solved the problem - down to a corrupt atapi.sys. I set the PC via safe mode so that rather than restart on crittical error it BSOD'd on me - that way I was able to see what was causing the problem. Booted using XP disk and repaired in recovery console.

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Posted onPost created on May 09 2011 15:11 ET by Alan Barber

Kyle - shipping a mobo to the US via Royal Mail is extremely expensive once you have put all the insurances on, so I'll bin that idea if its okay.

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Posted onPost created on May 09 2011 15:13 ET by Kyle Hatch

Alan Barber wrote:

Kyle - shipping a mobo to the US via Royal Mail is extremely expensive once you have put all the insurances on, so I'll bin that idea if its okay.

Thats okay. Thanks for the offer Alan! I appreciate it! I am thinking of getting this board once my paycheck arrives. Is it a good one? It is one of the few I found in my price range that looks affordable and has good features: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/MSI+-+Micro+ATX+Desktop+P4/Core%26%23153%3B2+Duo/Quad+Motherboard+(Socket+LGA+775)/9486647.p?id=1218112690301&skuId=9486647

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Posted onPost created on May 09 2011 15:30 ET by Alan Barber

Kyle - look like you've chosen well http://www.computerpartsreview.com/MSI-G31TM-P21-Review.html The only future drawback I can see is if you upgrade your GPU to one of the double size cards you will block out a PCI slot - but as that is the case with the majority of MATX boards that shouldn't be a major issue. With a bit of research you should be able to get some good results with your E2200 overclocking wise. Use google a lot though and check in here with any questions.

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Posted onPost created on May 09 2011 15:33 ET by Kyle Hatch

Thanks again Alan! Ive been googling a LOT the past few months and decided to finally post here smile

I do have the 9800GT and so I will be blocking one slot (I would think) but I only need one for the sound card.

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Posted onPost created on May 11 2011 10:17 ET by Stephan Faessler

Imho, get the i7965 Extreme edition (if your mobo supports it), which has to date the best value for (oc) power you can get (as this chip has the best potential), loose FS9 and upgrade to FSX as well. get a decend Nvidia graphics card too like a GTX from the 400 or 500 line, SLI and Physix you dont need as it does not support it...enjoy mate!

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Posted onPost created on May 11 2011 20:15 ET by Kyle Hatch

Thanks for the suggestions, but like I said earlier, I am really limited on what I can spend. And I am one of the few that its going to take a long time to ditch FS9. I have soo many addons that it looks and runs better than FSX.

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Posted onPost created on May 11 2011 22:26 ET by Stephan Faessler

sure, the E6700 should be a good alternative and upgrade to what you have at current, I am sure you can squeeze some fps more ;-)

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