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DVA2434
Senior Captain, B777-200
OLP
Joined on July 01 2005
50 State Club
Online Century Club
Million Mile Club
Everett 500 Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
Nine Century Club
Boston, MA
943 legs, 3,373.4 hours
193 legs,
398.7 hours online
915 legs,
3,292.9 hours ACARS
113 legs dispatched, 138.7
hours
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Posted onPost created on
May 16 2011 08:28 ET by Dylan Neidorff
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What do you think the hardest instrument approach is in CONUS (Continental United States of America)
My vote is for the VOR/DME 13R/L into JFK...Not saying I can't do it, but I can say there's a bead of sweat dripping down my forehead.
Regards,
Dylan
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DVA1008
Senior Captain, B757-200
Joined on December 14 2002
B757 100 Club
Everett 250 Club
50 State Club
Six Century Club
Online Six Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"Fly 'till the map turns blue"
Kokomo, IN
633 legs, 1,731.3 hours
613 legs,
1,689.9 hours online
212 legs,
792.3 hours ACARS
35 legs,
77.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 16 2011 08:48 ET by Matt Young
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LDA at DCA is one I avoid unless it's really necessary.
Matt YoungSenior Captain, B757-200
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DVA7666
Senior Captain, B747-400
OLP
Joined on August 18 2009
50 State Club
Online Seven Century Club
Two Million Mile Club
Globetrotter
Flying Colonel
"Food? Check. Ok, let's go."
Tyler, TX USA
1,500 legs, 5,694.3 hours
1,086 legs,
3,187.7 hours online
1,452 legs,
5,509.8 hours ACARS
77 legs,
201.9 hours event
3,500 legs, 11,636.4 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
May 16 2011 09:09 ET by Jacob Miller
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LDA?
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DVA6776
Captain, B757-200
OLP
Joined on December 22 2008
Century Club
Online Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"Atlanta, here I come"
Indianapolis, IN USA
169 legs, 338.2 hours
159 legs,
322.5 hours online
161 legs,
323.7 hours ACARS
31 legs,
65.1 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 16 2011 09:29 ET by Ruben Schuckit
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http://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1105/00443ROSSLYNLDA19.PDF
Ruben SchuckitCaptain, B757-200
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DVA3794
Senior Captain, A320
OLP, 737-ATP
Joined on December 03 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
US Coastal Club
Events Quadruple Century
US Mountaineer Club
Everett Bi-Millennium Club
Tri-Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Three Million Mile Club
Online Thirty Century
"volando libero......."
Antarctica
3,459 legs, 8,141.9 hours
3,131 legs,
7,039.5 hours online
3,251 legs,
7,332.7 hours ACARS
478 legs,
964.8 hours event
65 legs dispatched, 72.4
hours
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Posted onPost created on
May 16 2011 09:40 ET by Vincenzo Musumeci
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Jacob Miller wrote:
LDA?
Localizer Type Directional Aid is a type of Localizer Approach, where, due to terrain and other factors, the localizer antenna array is not aligned with the runway it serves. In these cases, the localizer antenna array may be offset (literally pointed or aimed) in such a way that the course it transmits no longer lies along the extended runway centerline (which is the norm for non-offset and non-LDA localizer systems).
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DVA5973
Captain, B757-200
Joined on May 25 2008
B757 100 Club
Million Mile Club
Everett Millennium Club
Flying Colonel
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Atlanta, GA
1,514 legs, 4,691.2 hours
1,459 legs,
4,569.9 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
May 16 2011 21:45 ET by Joe Coughlin
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I would put in a vote for the LOC/DME approach into Aspen (KASE) due to the extreme decent required into the airport due to terrain (almost 7 degrees down!). http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/ASE/IAP/LOC_DME-E/pdf
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DVA3943
Senior Captain, B737-800
Joined on January 22 2007
Online Seven Century Club
Millennium Club
""Brakes released- cleared to push""
North Kingstown, RI USA
1,379 legs, 1,845.6 hours
1,277 legs,
1,632.7 hours online
1,266 legs,
1,659.7 hours ACARS
30 legs,
54.0 hours event
9 legs dispatched, 6.8
hours
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Posted onPost created on
May 19 2011 01:48 ET by Trevor Woolley
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I'd Deff have to agree with Joe on LOC/DME into Aspen.... Or any approach into aspen for that matter. I've flown jumpseat in a G-IV and it was quite demanding and spectacular to watch.
My personal fav in flight sim is the ROSSLYN LDA 19 into DCA just because I have a fancy Cloud9 Scenery.
OF COURSE one cannot forget LOC/DME 27 into SAN. Another fun approach especially when you have a cloud cover
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DVA3851
Captain, L-1011-100
Joined on December 28 2006
Double Century Club
"It's always sunny above the clouds"
New York, NY USA
299 legs, 1,199.4 hours
31 legs,
71.6 hours online
268 legs,
1,125.5 hours ACARS
4 legs,
6.2 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 19 2011 22:09 ET by Nicholas Harding
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The Canarsie approach is a tough one. Imagine doing it in a Concorde without flaps. DCA's RW19 is a thrill as well and has got to be one of the most scenic.
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DVA9005
First Officer, B767-300
Joined on September 03 2010
"Two wings, an engine and a seat? Lets fly it."
Long Beach, NY USA
16 legs, 98.8 hours
16 legs,
98.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
May 23 2011 06:31 ET by Ryan Spellman
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LDA for DCA hands down, JFK is a cake walk and so is 27 at SAN.
Ryan SpellmanFirst Officer, B767-300
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DVA8152
First Officer, B767-300
OLP
Joined on December 28 2009
Online Six Century Club
Million Mile Club
Millennium Club
"By George, we did it!"
Jacksonville, FL USA
1,159 legs, 2,921.6 hours
698 legs,
1,755.8 hours online
1,033 legs,
2,466.9 hours ACARS
1 legs,
11.8 hours event
136 legs dispatched, 40.7
hours
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Posted onPost created on
May 23 2011 14:14 ET by Dan Turner
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Suprised no one mentioned the IGS int HKX, however, having flown the LDA into DCA numerous times thats were my vote would go!
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DVA2989
Captain, A320
E-MAIL
Joined on September 10 2002
Double Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Online Double Century Club
Green Bay, WI USA
240 legs, 425.4 hours
224 legs,
400.8 hours online
229 legs,
411.2 hours ACARS
8 legs,
13.2 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 23 2011 21:20 ET by Adam Robillard
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That looks tough...
Adam RobillardCaptain, A320
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DVA7130
Senior Captain, B727-200
OLP
Joined on March 23 2009
50 State Club
Everett 250 Club
Events Century Club
DVA Five-Year Anniversary
Eight Century Club
Online Eight Century
"Hudson, we have a problem"
Tyrone, GA USA
846 legs, 1,482.4 hours
814 legs,
1,429.8 hours online
818 legs,
1,443.2 hours ACARS
178 legs,
322.6 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 23 2011 22:19 ET by Ryan Morse
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http://www.deltava.org/pirep.do?id=0x9fff9
LDA 19 DCA
Compare it to the visual....
http://www.deltava.org/pirep.do?id=0xa0821
(no comment on the better landing on the LDA)
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DVA5188
Assistant Chief Pilot, A350-900
E-MAIL
Joined on November 08 2007
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Everett 250 Club
Quad-Jet Quartermaster
White Knuckles Club
Million Mile Club
Pacific Rim Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Seven Century Club
Decatur, GA
726 legs, 2,872.6 hours
1 legs,
1.8 hours online
723 legs,
2,866.3 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
May 24 2011 01:15 ET by Paul Barnhill
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ZIGGY4 into KONT isn't the worst in terms of procedure, but it's scary coming into the 26s at ONT at a pretty steep angle since you're coming through some high mountains. Especially in low visibility. I'm always looking at my radio altimeter.
And I guess it's not an instrument approach, but the expressway visual into LGA is a tough one too.
Paul BarnhillAssistant Chief Pilot, A350-900
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DVA953
Senior Captain, B737-800
E-MAIL
Joined on November 17 2002
50 State Club
Double Century Club
Online Double Century Club
"V1 means V1..."
West Lafayette, IN USA
214 legs, 376.8 hours
211 legs,
373.0 hours online
117 legs,
223.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
May 25 2011 01:16 ET by James Brickell
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It's not charted anymore, but the Stratosphere Visual into LAS was one of my favorites. I believe it's for the 19s, but you basically fly right at the Stratosphere tower and make a sweeping left turn to final. Definitely required some nerves of steel.
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DVA3525
Captain, B737-800
OLP
Joined on August 25 2006
Quincentenary Club
Online Quintuple Century Club
Western Europe
590 legs, 1,868.0 hours
549 legs,
1,725.5 hours online
588 legs,
1,854.4 hours ACARS
5 legs,
17.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 25 2011 07:23 ET by Martin Bergin
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Of the ones above it has to be Aspen - purely because the other you can get wrong and NOT hit a mountain. For me at least that takes some of the pressure off!!!!!! Infact, the first one published is relatively easy - back in my first stint in Delta VA I believe it was part of one of the check rides.
Martin BerginCaptain, B737-800
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DVA9385
Captain, B737-800
Joined on January 19 2011
Southeastern United States
25 legs, 50.3 hours
21 legs,
45.1 hours online
23 legs,
41.1 hours ACARS
1 legs,
1.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 30 2011 22:34 ET by John Swails
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Are we talking manual flying and if so what aircraft type? The size and required approach speeds adds work load if we're talking a manual approach.
John SwailsCaptain, B737-800
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DVA9815
Captain, B777-200
Joined on May 27 2011
DVA Two-Year Anniversary
Century Club
Victoria, BC Canada
110 legs, 515.3 hours
86 legs,
383.7 hours online
108 legs,
507.6 hours ACARS
1 legs,
5.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
June 01 2011 15:09 ET by Jason Rivard
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I'm going to agree with Paul on the ZIGGY4 into ONT. They have you cross an intersection really close to the airport at 14,000 feet. After that you do everything you can to slow down and go down, and even then, it's still a gamble on if you get it done.
Joke around a different VA for a while was "When's the last time you've ZIGGY4'd?"
Jason RivardCaptain, B777-200
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DVA2728
Captain, MD-11
E-MAIL
Joined on December 04 2005
Triple Century Club
Online Triple Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Tri-Jet Double Centruy CLub
Million Mile Club
"Exceeding the standard."
March Air Reserve Base, CA
343 legs, 2,038.9 hours
317 legs,
1,833.0 hours online
292 legs,
1,778.6 hours ACARS
6 legs,
27.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
June 06 2011 20:34 ET by Shane Olguin
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I always found ZIGGY4 into Ontario difficult because it's hard to get slowed down fast enough after coming over the San Bernardino mountains. BTW, I live directly underneath this arrival!
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DVA9576
Captain, B767-300
Joined on March 08 2011
Frogner, Oslo Norge
28 legs, 65.0 hours
3 legs,
4.3 hours online
26 legs,
62.3 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
June 12 2011 08:27 ET by Petter Blindheim
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RNAV(RNP) 13R into Palm springs, KPSP.
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1106/00545RRY13R.PDF
Petter BlindheimCaptain, B767-300
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DVA9117
Captain, B737-800
Joined on October 13 2010
50 State Club
Globetrotter
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
Everett 250 Club
Commuter Conquest
US Mountaineer Club
US Coastal Club
Nine Century Club
New Bern, NC
943 legs, 2,506.6 hours
943 legs,
2,506.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
June 12 2011 11:00 ET by Jim Atkins
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Bah-Canarsie Approach and DCA LDA are fun and easy 
Jim AtkinsCaptain, B737-800
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DVA2724
Senior Captain, L-1011-100
Joined on December 04 2005
Million Mile Club
Seven Century Club
"Long Live the TRISTAR!!"
Concord, GA USA
714 legs, 3,467.6 hours
43 legs,
80.2 hours online
466 legs,
2,709.6 hours ACARS
5 legs dispatched, 26.7
hours
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Posted onPost created on
June 25 2011 19:04 ET by Ken Nesbitt
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I don't see why everyone thinks the LDA 19 in DCA is so hard... I shoot this approach on average about 3 or 4 times a month (RW) and it is a normal step down approach just where you have to follow the river at the end. If you can do the river visual, then you can do this. I think when dealing with difficulty levels, the harder ones are going to be your mountainous terrein or non radar environment approaches where you have to shoot the full approach on an NDB or something. Just my two cents worth.
Ken NesbittSenior Captain, L-1011-100
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DVA8436
Captain, B747-400
OLP
Joined on March 26 2010
50 State Club
B757 100 Club
Globetrotter
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Burbank 500 Club
US Coastal Club
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"I'm getting way too old for this!"
Chula Vista, CA USA
1,828 legs, 6,493.6 hours
27 legs,
71.6 hours online
1,823 legs,
6,462.5 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
June 27 2011 06:17 ET by Raymond Hammer
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My vote is for the VOR/DME 13R/L into JFK...Not saying I can't do it, but I can say there's a bead of sweat dripping down my forehead.
Regards,
Dylan
I agree with Dylan. That thing is hard enough VFR. How about doing it in a heavy with a 400 ft ceiling. The KSAN 27 is really not that tough but watch your altitude and stay on the localizer or a Holiday Inn will smack you in the chops.
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DVA3943
Senior Captain, B737-800
Joined on January 22 2007
Online Seven Century Club
Millennium Club
""Brakes released- cleared to push""
North Kingstown, RI USA
1,379 legs, 1,845.6 hours
1,277 legs,
1,632.7 hours online
1,266 legs,
1,659.7 hours ACARS
30 legs,
54.0 hours event
9 legs dispatched, 6.8
hours
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Posted onPost created on
June 28 2011 15:13 ET by Trevor Woolley
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+1 WITH KEN.... The LDA or RIV VIS into DCA is more fun than anything....
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DVA7130
Senior Captain, B727-200
OLP
Joined on March 23 2009
50 State Club
Everett 250 Club
Events Century Club
DVA Five-Year Anniversary
Eight Century Club
Online Eight Century
"Hudson, we have a problem"
Tyrone, GA USA
846 legs, 1,482.4 hours
814 legs,
1,429.8 hours online
818 legs,
1,443.2 hours ACARS
178 legs,
322.6 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
June 28 2011 19:38 ET by Ryan Morse
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Ken Nesbitt wrote:
I don't see why everyone thinks the LDA 19 in DCA is so hard... I shoot this approach on average about 3 or 4 times a month (RW) and it is a normal step down approach just where you have to follow the river at the end. If you can do the river visual, then you can do this. I think when dealing with difficulty levels, the harder ones are going to be your mountainous terrein or non radar environment approaches where you have to shoot the full approach on an NDB or something. Just my two cents worth.
One of the things about that APP is that sometimes, fighter jets are more dangerous than Mountains.
Jason Rivard wrote:
I'm going to agree with Paul on the ZIGGY4 into ONT. They have you cross an intersection really close to the airport at 14,000 feet. After that you do everything you can to slow down and go down, and even then, it's still a gamble on if you get it done.
Joke around a different VA for a while was "When's the last time you've ZIGGY4'd?"
That wouldn't be Metroair whould it?
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DVA9247
Captain, B747-400
E-MAIL
Joined on November 24 2010
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Triple Century Club
"You cant make this stuff up!! "
Martinsburg, WV USA
390 legs, 1,065.3 hours
10 legs,
25.0 hours online
380 legs,
1,004.1 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
July 18 2011 23:36 ET by Mike Mays
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i hate DME arcs! Ive flown the VOR/DME RWY 15 RW at KMTN and its a real challenge
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DVA3102
Senior Captain, MD-11
Joined on April 30 2006
50 State Club
B757 100 Club
Globetrotter
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US Capital Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
Tri-Millennium Club
Everett Bi-Millennium Club
Four Million Mile Club
"If it flies in the skies, I'm on it"
Los Angeles, CA
3,196 legs, 8,564.3 hours
75 legs,
117.3 hours online
3,082 legs,
8,306.2 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
July 19 2011 00:31 ET by Jon Farabee
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While its not a difficult approach, it is certainly an intersting one, the I-55 into MDW for 13C.
Another good one is the LDA X RWY 8 into Juneau. I know its not part of the Continental United States, but....I took the MD-11 years ago into there and flew that approach, havent been back since  Dutch Harbor is another fun one.
Hardest one in the lower 48 i've done though is a tie between the Roaring Fork Visual 15 into Aspen http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1107/05889ROARINGFORK_VIS15.PDF and the LOC/DME 9 into TEX (Teluride) TEX is espeically difficult becasue if you don't slow down in time, you will run off the Plateu the airport is built on, and its all "downhill" from there http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1107/06920LD9.PDF Trying doing either in a blizzard
You can get all the info on TEX here http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTEX pay close attention to the photo on the site and you will see what I am talking about with the plateu
Jon FarabeeSenior Captain, MD-11
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DVA7789
Senior Captain, B767-300
OLP
Joined on October 04 2009
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
Triple Century Club
"Shoot for the Stars."
Orlando, FL USA
309 legs, 914.3 hours
253 legs,
696.6 hours online
301 legs,
882.5 hours ACARS
44 legs,
98.8 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
July 19 2011 01:46 ET by Miguel Villamizar
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Dme arcs are amazing!
Miguel VillamizarSenior Captain, B767-300
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DVA7729
Senior Captain, B777-200
OLP
Joined on September 09 2009
50 State Club
Triple Century Club
Online Triple Century Club
Globetrotter
"Roar like GE-90s!"
Mississauga, ON Canada
396 legs, 1,741.6 hours
380 legs,
1,692.7 hours online
391 legs,
1,702.2 hours ACARS
46 legs,
113.8 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
July 19 2011 02:18 ET by Shahzeb Bhutto
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I've tried this one once and man that was challenging (first time), on first try I had to go around but was able to land on second try with no perfect landing. Here is a short glimpse of this approach in this video of MD-11 I saw a while back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EQ9-m-nuPI
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DVA9677
Captain, B737-800
OLP
Joined on April 11 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Quincentenary Club
"American 1482, your APU is leaking baggage."
Kissimmee, FL USA
543 legs, 735.9 hours
247 legs,
299.2 hours online
538 legs,
725.6 hours ACARS
2 legs,
2.8 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
July 19 2011 12:23 ET by John Anderson
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Miguel Villamizar wrote:
Dme arcs are amazing!
I love DME Arcs. Wouldn't call then challenging, but I love them.
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DVA4895
Captain, B767-300
Joined on August 24 2007
DVA Five-Year Anniversary
Everett Century Club
50 State Club
Double Century Club
Commack, NY USA
234 legs, 673.8 hours
54 legs,
133.5 hours online
218 legs,
596.8 hours ACARS
1 legs,
1.5 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
July 22 2011 22:06 ET by Ivan Weiss
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The NY approach mentioned above isnt so bad in decent weather. Great visual clues to guide you into the turn. It is a really fun approach, especially if you fly the visual and follow the lights.
Poor weather, another story! But, they rarely fly that approach in poor weather.
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DVA8152
First Officer, B767-300
OLP
Joined on December 28 2009
Online Six Century Club
Million Mile Club
Millennium Club
"By George, we did it!"
Jacksonville, FL USA
1,159 legs, 2,921.6 hours
698 legs,
1,755.8 hours online
1,033 legs,
2,466.9 hours ACARS
1 legs,
11.8 hours event
136 legs dispatched, 40.7
hours
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Posted onPost created on
July 22 2011 23:19 ET by Dan Turner
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The never dieing thread returns!
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DVA5188
Assistant Chief Pilot, A350-900
E-MAIL
Joined on November 08 2007
50 State Club
Globetrotter
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White Knuckles Club
Million Mile Club
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DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Seven Century Club
Decatur, GA
726 legs, 2,872.6 hours
1 legs,
1.8 hours online
723 legs,
2,866.3 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
July 23 2011 15:12 ET by Paul Barnhill
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Ryan Morse wrote:
Jason Rivard wrote:
I'm going to agree with Paul on the ZIGGY4 into ONT. They have you cross an intersection really close to the airport at 14,000 feet. After that you do everything you can to slow down and go down, and even then, it's still a gamble on if you get it done.
Joke around a different VA for a while was "When's the last time you've ZIGGY4'd?"
That wouldn't be Metroair whould it?
I don't know about the joke Jason was talking about, but UPSVAC has a fair amount of ZIGGY4 discussion since we use KONT a lot there.
Paul BarnhillAssistant Chief Pilot, A350-900
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DVA7180
Captain, MD-88
Joined on March 17 2009
Richmond, BC Canada
59 legs, 109.5 hours
4 legs,
6.8 hours online
56 legs,
101.4 hours ACARS
2 legs,
3.2 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
July 23 2011 20:37 ET by Lindsey Wiebe
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Sorry, you are all wrong. Try coming north of the 49 and doing a NDB approach in gusty to mda. CYCD has a nice one just outside Vancouver! This one has a nice 40ish degree turn over the beacon to 2 mile final. Non-precision, big turn and tight final.
Lindsey WiebeCaptain, MD-88
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DVA10048
First Officer, MD-11
Joined on August 09 2011
Century Club
50 State Club
Online Century Club
Bar Nunn, WY USA
164 legs, 401.8 hours
145 legs,
361.8 hours online
151 legs,
368.8 hours ACARS
18 legs,
55.2 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
November 21 2011 09:51 ET by Patrick Neuman
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I am a fan of the visual into Kai Tek with Fly Tampas scenery. Low and slow over the buildings.
Patrick NeumanFirst Officer, MD-11
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