Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler - Frequent Crashes Related to Flight Zone Scenery

Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | PC Support | Frequent Crashes Related to Flight Zone Scenery

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Posted onPost created on June 07 2011 00:27 ET by Trevor Woolley

Lately I've had quite a few crashes while inbound to Flight Zones Rhode Island Scenery. It every so often happens up at their sister PDX scenery.

The crash occurs somewhere on the final decent usually within the borders of the scenery. It NEVER happens on Departure, just arrival. I even had an issue tonight where I diverted to avoid a crash.. then tried to complete the flight from OQU mere miles away from PVD and it still crashed. I've made it into PVD maybe 2 out of 7 times.

There is no warning.. no frame rate issues, and seemingly no memory issues... always running about 1.2 of 4 gigs. Anybody experience this and what might be the culprit.

Also, I have an issue with the water color due to REX. It seems they "Labeled" most of the Bay and Ocean water as Inland Water so it shows up as brown ( per REX) but I doubt that is the reason.

Trevor Woolley (DVA3943)

Posted onPost created on June 07 2011 00:28 ET by Trevor Woolley

Please move thread to PC support.... IDK how it got here

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Posted onPost created on June 07 2011 03:22 ET by Steve Bogus

Try lowering your FR to 20 or less if it isn't already, then see if it works It isn't going to mess with your performance. If not look at the other 'recent' support forums, they have very good info and things to try.
As for REX, I would try to load a few flights through REX to maybe dispurse the scenery files. I might be way off. nuts

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Posted onPost created on June 07 2011 17:20 ET by Daniel Hodnik

does it just crash to desktop without error?

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Posted onPost created on June 07 2011 17:24 ET by Trevor Woolley

Affirm.. no error.. just restarts itself

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Posted onPost created on June 07 2011 19:44 ET by Steve Bogus

sounds a lot like the UIAutomationcore.dll issue, have you tried removing them?
there was an earlier thread that posted this webpage and worked wonders for me.
http://www.simforums.com/forums/topic29041_page1.html

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Posted onPost created on June 10 2011 17:55 ET by Trevor Woolley

Well I've re-installed and changed a few things but still get the crash.....

Whats weird is I can fly an F-18 from OQU and do Touch and Goes at North Central, PVD, and Block Island yet when I try to take a 737 into PVD it crashes....

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Posted onPost created on June 10 2011 23:23 ET by Steve Bogus

try it with default or FR friendly AC as a test and see if there is a problem and lower sliders. what kind of AC or addons are you using when it crashes? I know that a few of my blueprint sceneries do the same especially if there is a lot of traffic, autogen and weather/winds aloft. you may just have to tone down on the sliders for the airport landing. Memory at 4 gigs ( I have 8 G of DDR3 and still have issues with some scenery) is probably the least you can effectively run with addon scenery and depending on the AC you are flying, traffic levels, and autogen. It will never use the full 4G of RAM, it will most likely use a percent of it and put the rest on standby as a sort of precaution.

Side note from the RAM, your processor may be the culprit, your specs would help with this issue alot. cool

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Posted onPost created on June 14 2011 23:58 ET by Trevor Woolley

Not its crashing when Flying in RHode Island PERIOD. I took a flight from LGA to BOS and Twice it crashed between ORW and PVD. I have tested it with the Aerial Foundary F-18 and its fine. It crashes when I fly the iFLY 737. Thats the Only jet i've been flying ( and really care to fly anymore)

The thing thats honestly getting at me is the fact that it has worked in the past.

Heres some specs.

AMD Athlon 64X2 5200+ Dual-core processors 3.2 ghz
4gb ram
Nvidia GeForce 9600 GT

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Posted onPost created on June 16 2011 13:28 ET by Trevor Woolley

Now I've had it happen 3 times with the PDX scenery from the Same Developer. Talk about wanting to bang my head against the wall

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Posted onPost created on June 16 2011 14:03 ET by David Keech

have you isolated it to the Flight Zone scenery's? Meaning, have you disabled or even removed the scenery and it works fine in the iFly?

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Posted onPost created on June 16 2011 14:59 ET by Trevor Woolley

Well I've got quite a few addon Airports... Covering just about ever Major Airfield and It works perfectly at everyone except PVD and now looks like PDX..... Im running MAX Sliders and get 20 frames no problem... Prior to a few weeks ago I left it at unlimited and I would run 30+ frames at some places. The weird thing is I can fly out of PVD no Problem. I never get crashes flying Outbound, just inbound.

On another note... I was finally able to complete my OQU -PVD diversion leg in the iFLY. HOWEVER, I started the flight at PVD, and Slewed over to OQU. No troubles though. Im rather confused and theres no support anymore for the Flight Zone Scenery so I am kinda stuck.

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Posted onPost created on June 16 2011 22:17 ET by David Keech

sounds like it, like I said, i'd disable the scenery via addon scenery and try a flight and see if that fixes it. If so, then you know your issue, if not, dunno

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Posted onPost created on June 20 2011 21:34 ET by Trevor Woolley

After Much Testing.... I have yet to complete a flight into or over Rhode Island or PDX. It crashes either on Approach into or when flying in Rhode Island Airspace.

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Posted onPost created on June 21 2011 01:25 ET by Sterling Widmer

Having the same issues with PDX. I saw something before where someone said to change the season to summer. Will try it tomorrow and report. Hey what do you know? Tomorrow is Summer!

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Posted onPost created on June 21 2011 09:10 ET by Steve Bogus

here are a few other things to try,
Defrag the drive FSX is on, a few downloads can murder FSX frame rates
Check your memory (RAM) status and just make sure it is all available. I had on of my sticks burn out and was wondering why I lost performance.
when I have had sceneries that conflict, in other words scenery that is too close together it has problems, what other scenery is in the vacinity?
Lastly I think, if the crash is only with this specific scenery, there has to be an error in that scenery code, I agree with David, I would disable it.... or lower sliders when approaching the airport.
tail winds

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Posted onPost created on June 21 2011 12:17 ET by Trevor Woolley

If I havent already, This is FS9 NOT FSX.

Defrag isnt the culprit. I do a defrag twice weekly. RAM Works as it should.

I've got a pretty decent computer that runs Max sliders Just fine.... No frame rate issues at any airports. I can depart PDX and PVD Just fine with close to 20 FPS. Its only when I arrive or fly over. A new Test shows that I can Depart Boston for either PHL or LGA ( Flying through North and South Rhode Island ) and it works fine, Its only On arrival into BOS, or PVD that it crashes.

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Posted onPost created on June 21 2011 13:01 ET by Daniel Hodnik

do you have duplicate afcads? dup afcads can/may cause a crash to desktop as you describe.. after installing new scenery (anything with a new afcad) the old one should backed up or removed.

if you haven't yet fixed your problem and you think it may be afcads, find 'scanafd' on the web from avsim or just google it. open up scanafd and scan for duplicates (active and inactive). If you have a duplicate, it will find it. Just simply rename it (so you dont have to delete it), run the program again to make sure duplicates are taken care of, and then run FS9. THAT problem should be solved.

Here is an example of how to run the program, note the checked boxes etc -->

And an example how to rename it -->

Simply adding .bak to the file will suffice and that way you can easily locate them later if you'd like.

sorry for the choppy sentences, i took this from an old post I made to help someone else out! also the example i show is not that great. for instance I look at LLBG which has multiple afcads, but each afcad is needed for the scenery to run and was purposely made that way. there would show another AF2_LLBG.bgl if there were two LLBGsinstalled.

Daniel Hodnik (DVA3355)

Posted onPost created on June 21 2011 13:42 ET by Trevor Woolley

Changing to Summer has No affect on PVD.

Daniel, I believe there are a few diff. AFCAD's for PVD. They need to be there though I know that much. They are diff. Layers.

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Posted onPost created on June 21 2011 13:51 ET by Daniel Hodnik

very good, understand.

worth a look if you're not sure. i've found that a lot of AI traffic packs include AFCADS that will foul up the system. always worth a shot (maybe the culprit isn't the new scenery, but one loading in the vicinity!)

if not, best of luck, wish I could help!

Daniel Hodnik (DVA3355)

Posted onPost created on June 21 2011 16:27 ET by Steve Bogus

Daniel Hodnik wrote:

i've found that a lot of AI traffic packs include AFCADS that will foul up the system. always worth a shot (maybe the culprit isn't the new scenery, but one loading in the vicinity!)

I had this issue with the Just flight AI. The downloader would include extra buildings and different layers of scenery. I would come into KBOS and litterally crash the plane upon landing because the scenery over-write. It was like there was an invincible scenery I would hit before the runway. The fix was to disable the scenery the AI software installed, it was a conflict and yours may be something in that realm. Daniel has a very good point. I don't doubt your hardware performance at all.

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Posted onPost created on June 21 2011 20:48 ET by Sterling Widmer

I've tried multiple times now and have isolated my problem to the season. Try changing the season to anything other than summer (I tried october, january, March, and June 21. All of them were fine save the June. Not sure if it will help you, but it worked for me not flying in summer.

Sterling Widmer (DVA3698)

Posted onPost created on June 22 2011 11:31 ET by Trevor Woolley

Ster, are you flying around PDX or INTO ?

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Posted onPost created on June 22 2011 14:58 ET by Sterling Widmer

Trevor Woolley wrote:

Ster, are you flying around PDX or INTO ?

Into PDX. I can start at PDX and be fine. But if I fly into there, then it crashes as soon as I get within about 10 nm. By switching it out of summer, I haven't had any CTD's.

Sterling Widmer (DVA3698)

Posted onPost created on June 22 2011 15:59 ET by Trevor Woolley

Im going to test this into PVD right now. Ill report how that goes. Im going to fly the flight report just for informational purposes so If anybody catches the report please reject.

Trevor Woolley (DVA3943)

Posted onPost created on June 22 2011 17:00 ET by Trevor Woolley

Test Failed. Set to Fall and Ran a flight from BOS to PVD. Crashed on Final at about 2200 ft.

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2011 00:29 ET by Trevor Woolley

I've recently been made aware of the Event Viewer.. Im looking for Some more Help now...

I've gotten into PDX and PVD every so often.. But now its crashing again. When it crashes an Error report is generated in this event viewer...

The problem seems to point to a G3D.DLL

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS IS... as I pull my hair out....LOL

Any Help?

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2011 01:05 ET by Jerel Wedge

Have you tried to fly into either airport with all AI aircraft off?? I had a similar situation where FS9 would crash SOMETIMES when I flew into PDX. I however have never had a problem flying into PVD. I don't know what I did to fix it but I fly into PDX all the time no problem now. One day I just decided to test it again and I landed there and havnt had a problem since. But im always fiddling with my flightsim folders....updating afcads, installing new updated schedules/repaints for my AI traffic. Could have something to do with Ultimate Terrain..i have that too...But I would try the flight without AI for once if you havnt already to see if we can rule it out

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2011 11:29 ET by Trevor Woolley

I fly on Vatsim but when not I do not have any AI installed.

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