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DVA9638
Captain, B777-200
OLP

Joined on March 31 2011
50 State Club
Century Club

"Now... Where did I leave my keys?"
Roy, UT USA

163 legs, 449.4 hours
11 legs, 14.6 hours online
163 legs, 449.4 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 02:41 ET by Chris Wetzel

Which on the 3 does FSX consume the most of? ie.. which upgrade would be a FSX performance booster... CPU GPU or RAM? Also doe FSX take advantage of the I7 hyperthreading? Ive heard mixed reviews

Chris Wetzel (DVA9638)

DVA9099
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on May 09 2010

"I believe I can fly! Oh wait, I am!"
Bremen, DE

10 legs, 31.8 hours
9 legs, 29.5 hours online
10 legs, 31.8 hours ACARS
3 legs, 11.3 hours event
17 legs, 81.1 hours total

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 03:13 ET by Nikitas Makarov

I've heard that fsx doesnt take advantage of I7 hyperthreading, and that it uses the CPU the most.

Nikitas Makarov

First Officer, A330-300

DVA9813
Captain, MD-11

Joined on May 28 2011
Century Club
50 State Club
Globetrotter

Northeastern United States

165 legs, 524.9 hours
21 legs, 69.3 hours online
163 legs, 503.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 10:26 ET by Steve Bogus

Steve Bogus

Captain, MD-11

DVA9544
Senior Captain, B737-800
OLP

Joined on February 26 2011
Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
Everett Century Club

"Always Upwind and Downwind"
Hergiswil, Nidwalden Switzerland

151 legs, 246.8 hours
64 legs, 112.2 hours online
151 legs, 246.8 hours ACARS
7 legs, 12.9 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 11:14 ET by Stephan Faessler

i7 yes, hyperthreading, no. therefore, the highest multiplier you can get, i.e. i7 quad core 2600K (K standing for unlocked multiplier).
Ram: 6GB with lowest latency. GPU: GTX 580 or 570.

Stephan Faessler (DVA9544)

DVA5862
Captain, MD-11

Joined on April 25 2008

"Better Safe Then Sorry!"
Farmville, NC USA

88 legs, 182.4 hours
74 legs, 156.5 hours online
87 legs, 177.3 hours ACARS
9 legs, 21.9 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 13:46 ET by Eric Jones

your pc and or Flight sim performance is based with all three from what i understand changing or upgrading one wont help but so much.

The gpu will give you more detailed scenery at higher setings or better frame rates at the same settings,

RAM cant do much better on some PC's since the CPU uses it to store data till it can process it

RAM mean "random acess memory"

gpu mean "graphics processing unit"

and cpu means "Central prcessing unit" one may do a little better but more ram then ur pc even uses at any given time doesnt help much,

upgrading the CPU will just let it process data a bit faster and the GPU something similar!

Eric Jones (DVA5862)

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 13:56 ET by Eric Jones

A peice of advise to see what you really now more then anything is this:
rightclick on your taskbar the start menu is on select task maganer and click on performance and see what it does as far as the CPU and Memory goes.

if while runnig FS it uses the cpu at 100 percent consider upgrading it but u should also consider how much ram you got as well you may need to upgrade that as well however if your using a 32 bit operating system you wont be able to use no more then 3.5 or 3.75 GB of RAM and A 32 bit CPU on;y goes but so far as well a dual core wil process more then a single and a tripple or quad will do a bit more as well.

A dual core processer is prety much having to cpu's on board and, a tripple 3 and so forth.

Eric Jones (DVA5862)

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 15:25 ET by Chris Wetzel

Im running an i7 870 2.93 quad with 8gb ram and a GTX 580 Win 7 64 bit, but I still get massive frame rate drops at dense airports (ATL, LAX, LAS...etc). I O/C'd it this morning to 3.2 to see if it helped out landing at dense areas but I didnt see much of a change..anywhere from 7-17 fps in the outside spot view on final. I know Im missing something cuz I just cant seem to keep the fps up. Along flightpaths, I dont have a problem with framerates (locked at 31 fps), its just on landing/taxiing ops...
with FSX loaded, My CPU is only running at about 20-30% according to the desktop gauge

Chris Wetzel (DVA9638)

DVA2541
Captain, B737-800
E-MAIL

Joined on August 17 2005
Century Club

"What's that button for? OOPs"
Erwin, TN USA

122 legs, 206.7 hours
1 legs, 1.1 hours online
1 legs, 1.2 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 16:18 ET by John Swisher

cpu, cpu, cpu!!!!!!!!!!!!

John Swisher

Captain, B737-800

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 16:29 ET by Eric Jones

ok im curious about a few things what is your autogen scenery desinty seting at as well as the standerd scenry desinty seting at ?
frame rates are gonna be A GPU thing most likely how much VGA memory do you have?
i didnt know you could lock your frame rate lol im lying i did i dont i leave my set unlimited but i only get 70 or 80 at most at min. i get round 30 but im running amd 64 x2 dual core ATI HD4850 1GB VGA 4 GB RAM Windows 7 64

Eric Jones (DVA5862)

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 17:39 ET by Chris Wetzel

autogen and standard i believe are at dense. i had them up at very dense but that made it lag...
VGA mem...I believe the GTX580 is 1.5 g GDDR5

Chris Wetzel (DVA9638)

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 19:05 ET by Steve Bogus

are you running all CPU cores? Are you using the FSX default ATC(massive CPU hog)? If you have REX are you running couds in HD? PMDG? Autogen eats my i7 920 up. There are some things that eat the CPU but if the monitor is reading 20-30% CPU, I don't think it is the CPU that is the issue. I definitely don't think it is the GPU becasue yours is better than mine (ATI HD5780).
Last question, what is the heat of your cores? A hot CPU will restrict performance making the 20-30% CPU usage a possible cap due to heat? your CPU is running at higher Ghz than mine which is good but means hotter... what kind of cooling do you have?

Steve Bogus

Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 19:54 ET by Chris Wetzel

Steve,
CPU cores... havent done anything to stop them from running so I assume they are all running together...the Task manager show all 4 running...
I do use default ATC... is there any way to turn that off?
Running REX in HD...well as close as I can get it to
Autogen- Just changed it to normal setting...Got a few more pfs and it also fixed my World of AI white aircraft problem
PMDG MD-11...I switched to the Level D 767 for a sec and the rates jumped so the PMDG has a bit to do with it..
Core heat-56-46-50-48 all below the max but not by much. I have the stock fan on my cpu still..havent decided which new one I want.

Chris Wetzel (DVA9638)

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 20:24 ET by Steve Bogus

The default ATC can be shut off by going to sound settings and moving the slider for voices to the left and then un-checking the box next to it. It may help ( am betting it will), I have RC4 which is nice but rather expensive for what it is. I chose this becasue flying online can be as bad sometimes as flying offline with no ATC (ghost airports), but the FPS jumped all over the place at the large airports with default ATC, so I wanted something to work with. could also look at VoxAtc, it has a free trial and has voice recognition.
you can try and lower cloud resolution a notch by going into REX and selecting a lower resolution, it really isn't that noticeable. I am running no HD clouds and it still looks great to me.
If that is your core heat while running FSX, thats not bad. It wouldn't hurt to look into a better CPU cooler,its sup to you.
I have my autogen set to sparse and traffic set to 50%, with those settings about 15-20FPS lows at large airports with PMDG or other addon AC is what I get.

My last thought is your PSU.. I am not going to mention much, I nearly got my head caved in for mentioning it to someone last time facepalm

. so research your PSU
Hope some of this helped good luck.

Steve Bogus

Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 23:05 ET by Chris Wetzel

psu??

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 23:21 ET by Steve Bogus

power supply unit, to your PC. there are online PC power calculators you can find and do some calculations to make sure your system is powered correctly. This was the # 1 fix for me using FSX. Be cautious about it as you can damage your hardware with too much power. (In my opinion) most PCs are under-powered coming of the assembly line and when guys like us want to beast the machine up for better performance with GPU, CPU, Mobo, etc. There is a required amount of power needed to operate the "entire" PC efficiently. Along with that cooling is the second step.

Steve Bogus

Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 23:26 ET by Chris Wetzel

Gotcha...thx Steve I have a 650w Corsair..

Chris Wetzel (DVA9638)

DVA9589
First Officer, A320

Joined on March 14 2011
50 State Club
US Coastal Club
Commuter Conquest
Millennium Club
US Mountaineer Club
Globetrotter
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
Everett 500 Club

Stuart, IA USA

1,495 legs, 2,393.1 hours
45 legs, 90.3 hours online
1,480 legs, 2,370.6 hours ACARS
4 legs, 8.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 23:33 ET by Randy Donnelly

An oversized PSU will not hurt you computer. The calculator called for 750 for mine so I'm using a 900W PSU. Under powered will kill PC components. Specially OC'ing (I've fried more than one PSU in my life). The PSU's output is only dictated by demand. It will hurt your wallet though !

Randy Donnelly

First Officer, A320

Posted onPost created on July 08 2011 23:43 ET by Steve Bogus

Randy Donnelly wrote:

An oversized PSU will not hurt you computer. The calculator called for 750 for mine so I'm using a 900W PSU. Under powered will kill PC components. Specially OC'ing (I've fried more than one PSU in my life). The PSU's output is only dictated by demand. It will hurt your wallet though !

Thank you Randy!!! I got hammered for recommending this to someone before. I was running 450W with my PC and the recommendation was like 1100W I got a 800W corsair which still isn't enough but the performance increase was unbelievable. I could run DX10 like butter, but don't because nothing else is compatible with it. Hurt your wallet is right!

Steve Bogus

Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on July 10 2011 06:25 ET by Eric Jones

correct me if im wrong but 110 or 800 no matter the PSU size you dont really ever use the amount you have, you onlky use about half or the actuall its capable of using!

Eric Jones (DVA5862)

DVA10082
Captain, B777-200
OLP

Joined on August 17 2011
50 State Club
Event Half Century Club
Tin Dispatcher
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
Globetrotter
Bi-Millennium Club
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US Coastal Club
US Mountaineer Club
Everett Bi-Millennium Club
Online Twenty Century

"Set your compass to 'E' and get out of my airspace!"
Monroe, LA

2,441 legs, 8,101.7 hours
2,013 legs, 6,366.7 hours online
2,406 legs, 8,007.9 hours ACARS
104 legs, 243.6 hours event
366 legs dispatched, 255.4 hours

Posted onPost created on October 10 2011 13:28 ET by Josh Burr

Due to all the "standin still" graphics, Ex: trees, houses, etc. I recommend a larger graphics card, but also, due to moving air traffic, you will need a powerful CPU also.

Josh Burr (DVA10082)

DVA8574
Captain, B737-800

Joined on March 08 2010

Fitchburg, MA

89 legs, 139.3 hours
62 legs, 100.7 hours online
88 legs, 137.7 hours ACARS
1 legs, 1.3 hours event

Posted onPost created on October 11 2011 01:41 ET by David Garrison

Chris Wetzel wrote:

Im running an i7 870 2.93 quad with 8gb ram and a GTX 580 Win 7 64 bit, but I still get massive frame rate drops at dense airports (ATL, LAX, LAS...etc). I O/C'd it this morning to 3.2 to see if it helped out landing at dense areas but I didnt see much of a change..anywhere from 7-17 fps in the outside spot view on final. I know Im missing something cuz I just cant seem to keep the fps up. Along flightpaths, I dont have a problem with framerates (locked at 31 fps), its just on landing/taxiing ops...
with FSX loaded, My CPU is only running at about 20-30% according to the desktop gauge

Don't stop at 3.2! You can get 4.0ghz easily provided you have a CPU cooler.

David Garrison

Captain, B737-800

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