Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler - Why are some routes missing?

Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | Airline Operations | Why are some routes missing?

DVA9895
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Waterville, ME USA

24 legs, 47.4 hours
6 legs, 15.2 hours online
22 legs, 43.5 hours ACARS
3 legs, 6.2 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 27 2011 09:10 ET by Matt Hodgkins

Since my first flight in Alaska (Juneau-Sitka), I've been wanting to stay in Alaska for a little while and take in the scenery. I've noticed there are a lot of real world domestic flights in Alaska but many of them are not listed on the flight schedule. Why is this? For example, from Wikipedia flying out of PANC, there is service to the following: Adak Island, Barrow, Bethel, Chicago-O'Hare, Cordova, Fairbanks, Honolulu, Juneau, Ketchikan, Kodiak, Kotzebue, Nome, Portland (OR), Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay, Seattle/Tacoma, but many of them are not listed in the schedule. Other flights are a charter for Red Dog Mine and seasonal to Denver, Dillingham, Kahului, King Salmon, Los Angeles. These are just for Alaska Airlines, but since we have a couple Alaska Airlines flights shouldn't we have more? The one I was particularly interested in was Anchorage to Barrow but it's not a valid flight as far as the schedule is concerned, though Barrow is listed in ACARS as an airport but with no flights to it.

Current flights in and out of Alaska (for ASA) are: Anchorage - HNL, LAX, SEA, PDX; Fairbanks - SEA; Ketchikan - SEA; Sitka - SEA; Juneau - SIT, SEA. Am I completely wrong or should there be more flights?

Thanks,
Matt

Matt Hodgkins (DVA9895)

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814 legs, 1,429.8 hours online
818 legs, 1,443.2 hours ACARS
178 legs, 322.6 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 27 2011 10:18 ET by Ryan Morse

Those flights are probably not codeshare, so they are not on out list.

Ryan Morse (DVA7130)

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472 legs, 2,922.9 hours online
565 legs, 3,319.5 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on July 27 2011 10:54 ET by Nicholas Carpenter

The other flights are not codeshared, but you can request a charter via the help desk if you so desire.

Nicholas Carpenter

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DVA7577
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29 legs, 47.8 hours online
332 legs, 629.7 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on July 27 2011 21:06 ET by Jesse Kovacs

Or they may not operate on the day you are looking. Some flights may operate only 1 day a week. When you see one, it would be wise to create a flight assignment, then you can fly it anytime you want within 14 days.

Jesse Kovacs

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105 legs, 415.0 hours online
113 legs, 446.2 hours ACARS
2 legs, 3.5 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 27 2011 21:31 ET by Kenneth Haught

It could also be that the information on Wikipedia is incorrect. For instance, neither Adak (PADK) or Barrow (PABR) are currently showing flights by DVA on Flightaware http://flightaware.com/statistics/ifr-route/ The only PANC-PABR route is from Northern Air Cargo, and appears to be sporadic at best.

Kenneth Haught (DVA6756)

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Milano, Lombardia Italia

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229 legs, 553.7 hours online
308 legs, 767.2 hours ACARS
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1,410 legs, 2,961.0 hours total

Posted onPost created on September 05 2011 18:46 ET by Luca Di Biase

it's weird that big hubs like Miami have, in deltaVA, such few flights.....

Luca Di Biase (DVA10030)

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Posted onPost created on September 05 2011 19:05 ET by Justin Lawrence

Since when is Miami a big Delta hub?

Justin Lawrence

Captain, A320

Posted onPost created on September 05 2011 19:07 ET by Luca Di Biase

it's a big airport i mean

Luca Di Biase (DVA10030)

Posted onPost created on September 05 2011 19:25 ET by Kenneth Haught

Just because it's a big airport doesn't mean it's a big throughput for Delta smile

Our schedule, thanks to Luke and the rest of the staff, represents the real schedules of Delta Airlines and our assorted codeshare partners. This gives us quite the extensive flight database, but sadly it doesn't cover every potential airport you might want to fly to/from.As Nicholas pointed out if you have your heart set on flying a particular route, put it in for a chart route once in a while. wink

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Posted onPost created on September 05 2011 19:36 ET by Terry Eshenour

Matt,

Our flight schedule is based on Delta Air Lines' real world schedule. We received monthly updates from a commercial aggregator that are valid for the next 30 days. Our schedule updates daily reflecting as close as possible the real world Delta schedule. In addition, Air France/KLM flights are included. They were included from DVA's early days to provide international flight experiences and a broader fleet to select from. Finally, there are historic flights that never change in our schedule. Generally the flights were serviced by now retired aircraft, e.g., DC-8, MD-11, etc.

The point is our schedule is dynamic. Before you begin your flight planning process, it pays to check our schedule to verify that the flight is valid. If there is doubt that a flight might change from day-to-day, then select it when it is available and save it to your logbook as a flight assignment to fly within the next 14 days.

Regards,

Terry

Terry Eshenour

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Posted onPost created on September 05 2011 20:00 ET by Luca Di Biase

ok men, thanks for updates....i will seek for further Delta's routes. Could you please tell me where to put eventually finded further routes?

Luca Di Biase (DVA10030)

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997 legs, 3,153.7 hours online
1,020 legs, 3,263.5 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on September 05 2011 20:05 ET by Dean Shultz

Kenneth Haught wrote:

It could also be that the information on Wikipedia is incorrect. For instance, neither Adak (PADK) or Barrow (PABR) are currently showing flights by DVA on Flightaware http://flightaware.com/statistics/ifr-route/. The only PANC-PABR route is from Northern Air Cargo, and appears to be sporadic at best.

Alaska flies to Barrow a couple times a day... Never get your information about flights in Alaska from flightaware.

Dean Shultz (DVA2701)

Posted onPost created on September 05 2011 20:07 ET by Luca Di Biase

http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/USA/Delta_Airlines_africa.shtml

take a look here.....many routes are missing

Luca Di Biase (DVA10030)

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182 legs, 751.4 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on September 05 2011 21:40 ET by Ethan Olshever

Luca Di Biase wrote:

it's a big airport i mean

Think about ORD, SFO, DEN, EWR, or DFW, they are huge airports, but there are not that many Delta flights from there (Compared to AA, UA, or CO)! A big airport doesn't mean a lot of flights from a certain airline.

Ethan Olshever

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1,975 legs, 8,123.7 hours ACARS
75 legs, 196.3 hours event
2,353 legs, 9,465.5 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 66.4 hours

Posted onPost created on September 05 2011 21:45 ET by Luke Kolin

Luca Di Biase wrote:

take a look here.....many routes are missing

Again, those routes may operate only one or two days a week. And on the days that they operate, they'll be in the schedule.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on September 05 2011 23:00 ET by Luca Di Biase

Luke Kolin wrote:

Luca Di Biase wrote:

take a look here.....many routes are missing

Again, those routes may operate only one or two days a week. And on the days that they operate, they'll be in the schedule.

Cheers!

thanks mr Vice-President......
so routes are downloaded automatically from servers?

Luca Di Biase (DVA10030)

Posted onPost created on September 05 2011 23:41 ET by Terry Eshenour

Luca,

Affirmative. Schedule updates occur automatically daily using commercial data.

Regards,

Terry

Terry Eshenour

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331 legs, 1,160.2 hours online
343 legs, 1,173.5 hours ACARS
2 legs, 12.8 hours event

Posted onPost created on September 06 2011 01:26 ET by Mathias Ratz

The map is also showing codeshare routes, but i think delta does not have this codeshare anymore..........

Mathias Ratz (DVA7897)

Posted onPost created on September 06 2011 08:20 ET by Terry Eshenour

Mathias,

Please provide a few missing codeshare flight examples. I'll need carrier, flight number, and depart and arrival 4-digit airport codes to investigate.

Thank you,

TerryMathias,

Please provide a few missing codeshare flight examples. I'll need carrier, flight number, and depart and arrival 4-digit airport codes to investigate.

Thank you,

Terry

Terry Eshenour

Senior Captain, B777-200

Posted onPost created on January 05 2012 21:41 ET by Luca Di Biase

it's possible to add more alitalia's routes on our flightplans....the list is so poor!

Luca Di Biase (DVA10030)

Posted onPost created on January 05 2012 22:53 ET by Justin Lawrence

Luca, we don't get ALL of Alitalia's flights. Only the ones that are code-shared with Delta

Justin Lawrence

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407 legs, 1,364.8 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 05 2012 23:07 ET by Noah Bryant

Yet again the need for a sticky.

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