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DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on December 31 2011 12:16 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

I have been playing fsx on a vio laptop that only has a I3 and the crappy(or so it seems) intel hd graphics. It was bought for school, anyways for x-mass i just build a new computer. I am running a AMD 8120 (8 cores of not workingness), 8 gigs of corsair vengeance, and a evga gtx 560 2gig. My fps is the same or slower at some points then my i3 laptop. I am not understanding what is wrong i have updated all drivers my windows 7 64 bit is from 2009 and i did not test today since i updated (like90 updates) maybe that will improve the fps but i am not sure. Any tips?

*edit just tested* no matter what settings i choose my fps is every where even on the lowest settings i am getting 9-25 fps all over the board and with max graphics it is the same i am bumping around to over 25 at points so i know its not a limiter...what could this be?

DVA7016
Senior Captain, B767-300

Joined on February 14 2009
B757 100 Club
Everett 250 Club
Triple Century Club
DVA Five-Year Anniversary

"I5 2500K - 560GTX - 8GB Ripjaw"
Essex GB

385 legs, 1,090.6 hours
384 legs, 1,089.6 hours ACARS
1,821 legs, 4,442.9 hours total

Posted onPost created on December 31 2011 12:47 ET by Alan Barber

Louis - Could be a whole range of things.

Have you tried this

http://www.venetubo.com/fsx.html

or this

http://www.simforums.com/Forums/topic29041.html

Personally I prefer the second option, it's a lot more in depth and a major undertaking but IMHO it gives you an excellent grounding into whats happening in your PC every time you run FSX

Alan Barber

Senior Captain, B767-300

DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on December 31 2011 17:46 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

Well i did some more test after on pmdgs site using there suggested nivida settings and i found something out on maxed out sliders i am getting only 10 fps in the cockpit/vc but i switch to any other view and i get in the 30s. Now i am really lost what would cause this to happen?

Posted onPost created on December 31 2011 18:48 ET by Alan Barber

Loius - You will always get less FPS in VC, so the difference you are seeing between views is reasonably proportionate. Did you try the first option above? Are you up to SP2 on FSX? What other programs/background utilities do you have running whilst FSX is on? Open Windows Task Manager and see what your CPU and memory committment are both before and during running FSX. If you are using lots of CPU/memory before running FSX you need to look at your W7 config. I use FS9 on a w7 64bit system - without FS9 running my CPU usage is 0% memory is 2.5gb used of 8gb. In the QW757 in VC view on the ground at Fly Tampa's Tampa rebooted scenery, with full WOAI and a heavy overcast REX cloud layer this changes to 35% CPU (Core 0 is in the high 90%), ram goes up to 3.32gb. I know this is FS9 but my VC FPS is about 35 and external about 50-55, so there is about a 20fps difference between the two views, which is what you are getting. This is a new installation though and I still have a fair bit of tweaking to do,

If I was in your situation I would make sure that my W7 install was stable and streamlined and then tweak FSX. Item two above will point you very much in that direction.

Come back here with any developments and I will do all I can to help.

Alan Barber

Senior Captain, B767-300

DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on December 31 2011 20:06 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

I am getting this fps drop in the 2d cockpit too, and without fsx running at the desktop i use around %0 cpu and about 830MB of ram with fsx open and in flight i use %80-90 cpu and 5-6gb of ram when flying. I have all service packs i have acceleration, i also make sure to close all browsers, turn off my virus program ect. This is a clean install of windows and other games i play i am having no problem playing on max graphics. I am just so lost, and also confused how fsx is managing to use all 8 cores at around %70-80, with the main around %95. In other games i am not use as much of my cpu it seems to be a fsx thing. I also made sure all drivers were updated being it a new computer. It seems like my graphics card is doing fine, and that the cpu is getting destroyed by fsx I also am running around 53c when playing fsx and messing with settings for a half hour or so.
After this game on mw3 i will try the first option you showed me i tried the 2nd half way i used the settings a admin on pmdg said to use.

Posted onPost created on December 31 2011 20:44 ET by Alan Barber

Louis - Just done a quick install of FSX on a separate drive - my specs are not too far from yours - see my sig - my i5 is OC'd to about 4ghz. Anyway, in the QW757 at LatinVFR KMIA (Just treated myself!!) I'm getting about 30fps in VC with 35-40fps outside view, basic FSX settings. Let me know how you get on with the above.

Alan Barber

Senior Captain, B767-300

DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on December 31 2011 20:48 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

k i just edited my cfg using that program hoping that helps i will load the pmdg 737-800 reset everything to default and i will fly around the same airport and bb in like 15-20 to tell new data smile

ty for helping me so much

*edit what is the default settings for you when i reset mine to default it maxes them out...* i will run three test while wait to see what u say i will do all med low all low and all high

heres my data
med low across the board = 30-40 on outside graphics
vc 14-27

high across
7-25 vc
21 avg outside

lowest possible vc 30 outside 60-80

Posted onPost created on December 31 2011 23:54 ET by Alan Barber

Loius - what MOBO are you using? The reason I ask is that Chipset drivers are one thing that a lot of people overlook, I know I've done it myself enough times, including two days ago! By basic FSX settings I was referring to airport eye candy, clouds etc. My FSX sliders were all pretty much to the right. 3D passmark scores rank our CPU's quite close together, although my understanding is that Intel will generally outperform AMD. I'll devise some sort of FSX test which puts us on more of a level playing field.

Alan Barber

Senior Captain, B767-300

Posted onPost created on January 01 2012 00:02 ET by Alan Barber

Louis - this might be an option http://www.passmark.com/products/pt.htm at least that way you can check you PC is performing as it is supposed to!

Alan Barber

Senior Captain, B767-300

DVA10130
Captain, B737-800

Joined on September 02 2011

West Valley City, UT USA

81 legs, 132.0 hours
79 legs, 129.6 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 01 2012 00:20 ET by Todd Marks

FSX is a b!tch to tune properly. Every system is not equal. I've finally relented, and started giving it the time she needs to get it running smoothly on my notebook (Got an Asus G73). I thoroughly consulted NickN's article (second option above), and worked on my setup for about a day, and I'm quite pleased with the results. The important thing is to start small (default Cessna 172) and make changes one or two items at a time so you can isolate what makes a difference. Be patient, and it should work well for you.

Todd Marks (DVA10130)

DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 01 2012 00:55 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

My mobo is a GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD5 AMD 900 Series Motherboard i thought it was a good choice cost about $170 so it is not the cheapest available. I will use that benchmark and give the info later.

Alan what version of the gtx 560 are you running?

Posted onPost created on January 01 2012 04:08 ET by Alan Barber

Its a Gigabyte with 1gb of DDR5 overclocked ever so slightly. I was on the GB website looking for any updates to my card so I had a quick search for your MoBo here is the link to new BIOS etc - you may want to check you are up to date. http://uk.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/download-center.aspx?kw=GA-990FXA

Alan Barber

Senior Captain, B767-300

DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 01 2012 12:25 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

I was up to date, but there is a beta BIOS am going to try right now. After talking to my dad he was thinking it was weird that i was using so much more cpu then you, our conclusion was that fsx or windows was having problems with the 8 cores considering it was loading %70-%80 on every core. Instead of 8 cores at 3.1Gz i will turn off 4 cores and set it into 4Gz.

DVA10130
Captain, B737-800

Joined on September 02 2011

West Valley City, UT USA

81 legs, 132.0 hours
79 legs, 129.6 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 01 2012 14:28 ET by Todd Marks

If I remember correctly the 8120 has AMDs Turbo Core Technology, with is similar to Intel's Turbo Boost. With this you gain clock speed at the expense of cores. Now Intel advertises the clock speed of their i5 and i7 cores at the low end with all cores being utilized. Could it be that AMD is advertising the clock speed at the high end with the minimum number of cores active? I have not looked into this very much, but could explain some of the issues you are having. With my i7 I set the affinity mask in the fsx.cfg file to only use 2 cores, as locking it to 4 cores would keep the clock speed down.

Todd Marks (DVA10130)

DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 01 2012 14:38 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

The amd 8120 from the factory has a turbo mode which i just enabled but instead of turning off 4 cores like they advertise i have all 8 cores at 4Gz now. But to answer what you were saying no AMD advertises 3.1Gz for 8 cores and 4Gz for 4 cores with Turbo. I have no clue why turbo mode did not kick off 4 cores when I just turned it on, because i am %100 sure i see 8 cores doing work. I am doing some test, and with the base aircraft i am getting in the 70FPS range now, but my pmdg 737 in vc is around 7-30 and spikes up and down like crazy and my captain sim 757 sticks around 25fps. I am fine with the captain sim 757 but the pmdg is killing me with the spikes.

I will do some fsx.cfg mixes with that program above and see if i can't get it a little better.

DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 01 2012 16:15 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

Just ran that benchmark test you showed me here is my scores

Total 1670.5

CPU-7424.0
2D Mark-241.4
3D Mark-2776.5
Memory Mark-1178.5
Disk Mark-730.3
CD Mark-1522.9
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Alan by chance can you run the benchmark so we can compare the two see if it is something i am completely lacking, or if it is a file in my fsx that is screwing up.

Posted onPost created on January 01 2012 18:02 ET by Alan Barber

Louis - rather than me run it there is an option in Passmark to search for results for a PC nearer to your spec. You may be better served doing this. Just click on the 'Download Baseline' button and enter a search string which includes your major PC components make/model then select the one closest to yours. It does sound like you need to search round the PMDG forums a bit as it is that particular bird you are having trouble with. A DVA driver might even be able to help. In the meantime I've run the test, my results

Total 2442.1

CPU-8142
2D Mark-678.7
3D Mark-2297.9
Memory Mark-2617.5
Disk Mark-749.2
CD Mark- didnt have a disk in the drive

My CPU is OC'd slightly so there is nothing to worry about there. The only thing that stands out to me is the Memory result - I've got 8gigs of ripjaw, even so its more than double your result. That may be worth testing. There is a basic memtest in the F8 boot option of Win 7 - give it a try.

Alan Barber

Senior Captain, B767-300

DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 01 2012 20:16 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

I think it may be where i placed my ram....i put it in slot 1 and 2 i think i should have put it into slot 1 and 3.

DVA10130
Captain, B737-800

Joined on September 02 2011

West Valley City, UT USA

81 legs, 132.0 hours
79 legs, 129.6 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 01 2012 21:37 ET by Todd Marks

hopefully that's it...

Todd Marks (DVA10130)

DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 01 2012 22:24 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

Just checked its in the right places, it is running at 1333 i tried to move it to 1600 but it had a bad boot i don't really know how to overclock it....

is yours running at 1600 or the default 1333

I just reran and got a higher score but score lower in many things

i took the multiplier for the turbo boost and bumped it up one to 4.1Gz and i scored much lower on the CPU test lol

ended with a 1761.5 for total

i scored 1317 on the ram this time

test really seems to flux

Posted onPost created on January 02 2012 06:12 ET by Alan Barber

Louis - my memory is at 1600, I haven't OC'd it at all. Looking at the corsair page I see that your RAM should be 1600 by default - I could be wrong though. I would have thought that the BIOS should autodetect as such. It does seem to be haeding towards the fact that your RAM config is causing an issue somewhere.

Alan Barber

Senior Captain, B767-300

DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 02 2012 19:25 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

I am on the corsair forums, and although i am not %100 sure many people have said that there is no such thing as 1600 ram anything above 1333 is overclocked.

I tried to set the ram to run at 1600, but when it reboots it makes me put it back and says it could not boot.

-Edit
after messing with it boots in 1600 now..i only scored about 100 more points on the mem test

Posted onPost created on January 03 2012 12:28 ET by Alan Barber

Louis - has it had any effect on FSX performance, good or bad?

Alan Barber

Senior Captain, B767-300

DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 03 2012 20:03 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

I had school, and came home and went to sleep, I just got up for a few min before going back to bed.

I will check tomorrow...

:Edit

I ended up doing a fsx flight...I can deal with the current settings getting like 20fps or so with the captain sim 757...I would like more but it looks good feels decent. Next thing i will do is get a cpu fan and overclock my processor more.

I have one last question would there be a difference between having my base at 3.1Gz (stock) and my turbo on at 4.1Gz, or having my turbo off and having overclocked to 4.1Gz.

Posted onPost created on January 04 2012 03:31 ET by Alan Barber

The CS757 is a bit of a fps hog so 20 is pretty good imho.

If you get the voltages, ram timings right I would say that an overclock would be a better solution but you would need to run various stress tests which would be time consuming. This question would probably be answered better on an overclockers forum.

Alan Barber

Senior Captain, B767-300

DVA5255
First Officer, A330-300

Joined on November 17 2007

Western United States

31 legs, 54.8 hours
15 legs, 18.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on January 04 2012 06:49 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

I will look into getting all that done maybe on the weekend, I have to head out to school right now.

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