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Posted onPost created on February 27 2012 10:05 ET by Cristian Avram

Hello again!
Just have another, if not probably obvious question...

Below is my processor info..3 cores

AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 440 Processor, 3000 Mhz

Now in fsx can get upwards of 30 to 40 fps
even in clouds..however the 737 ngx takes me to below 20.

My question is, more so to those who have an iCore 5 or 7... Even tho the i5 or 7 hovers around the same ghz power as my processor, would I actually get a better performance due to the quality of the i7 or i5 CPU? I know graphic card and ram factor in but ive got plenty of that.

Any/ all input is greatly welcomed

Thanks!

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Posted onPost created on February 27 2012 10:49 ET by Josh Burr

an increase in CPU power would deffinatly help your problem...i have i7-2600 3.8 boost to 4.2 ghz, and i am flying well above 60 fps with high settings....not saying go out and waste $$$ on that high of a processer if you can't but an icrease will deffinatly help. (Compaired to the i3 2.3 ghz i had a few years back running @ 20fps with low settings, this is deffinatly better)

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Posted onPost created on February 27 2012 10:58 ET by Cristian Avram

Well my graphics are quite smooth and crisp so im surprised I get 30 or 40 fps right now and like 16 in the ngx. Ive just wondered if the i7 will perform better due to quality even if its almost the same GHz power I have now. Im looking to build a new rig since im going to port over to fsx now that I know I can run it well even with addons

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Posted onPost created on February 27 2012 15:51 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

Cores and speed does not always equal better. I have a AMD 8120 which has 8 cores and it is OC to 4.1Gz right now that puts me at a bench mark of around 8900-9000 using passmark, but an i7-2600k at only 3.4Gz 4 cores will score a little over 9000. So with 4 less cores and a lower clockspeed which normally means less heat the 2600k is a little "faster".

Posted onPost created on February 27 2012 17:45 ET by Cristian Avram

Ill be honest with you, most of that I have no idea what it means. I have some knowledge to computer components but not that advanced. Basically I just wanted to find out if the iCore is better quality than my current AMD given they almost have the same speeds in terms of GHz

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Posted onPost created on February 27 2012 17:47 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

Any Intel I7 or I5, or AMD FX8120 would be great for fsx.

Posted onPost created on February 27 2012 18:04 ET by Cristian Avram

I think i may lean towards buying a system from like best buy...just because building one up from a computer store is too out of my price league

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Posted onPost created on February 27 2012 19:05 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

There is little to no point in buying a computer from bestbuy. Buying a computer will cost 2-3x the cost of building it.

Posted onPost created on February 27 2012 19:14 ET by Cristian Avram

Well 2 to 3x the money is a little bit of an exaggeration...

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Posted onPost created on February 27 2012 19:41 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

Not for gaming computers...when you look up what is really in them and add up the cost its not. For example Alienware computers carry a good 400-700 markup from what you could build on a site like tigerdirect for the same parts and a good full tower case. Alienware is an extreme example, but at this point even bestbuy does not carry gaming computers except for online. With the ones online they will use basicly the same processor you already have except for a few $2000 ones that use an i5 or a i7-950.

Posted onPost created on February 27 2012 19:44 ET by Cristian Avram

Bestbuy.ca has a few i7's on for 1200...but the graphic card, HD and others are complete crap now that i compare all specs. I think i ought go into memoryexpress over here and talk to someone face to face...unless you all here can provide help as to what I should build....

If so, keep in mind i've got a budget...really would love to not go over 1100 or so

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Posted onPost created on February 28 2012 21:04 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

I have build tons of example builds for people via tiger direct. Want me to build you one within budget, if so would you prefer an Intel setup, or AMD. A $1100 budget is completely possible for a great computer for fsx.

Posted onPost created on February 28 2012 22:31 ET by Cristian Avram

Well I hear great things about the iCore's...don't know a whole lot about the AMD. However i'd prefer ATI for graphics as i'm most used to it and it's interface. If it's not too much a trouble Louis i'd really appreciate what you come up with. They can ship to Canada no problem? And i'd probably use it for a few other games like battlefield 3 and such...but if she can run fsx at 60 fps she can run anything lol

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 05:37 ET by Alan Barber

Cristian - from my experience ATI/AMD GPU's don't handle anti-aliasing as well as Nvidia - especially true when flying with clouds very much in view. This was my experience up to about 6 months ago when I switched to Nvidia - things may have changed since I don't know.

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 06:50 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

I built a setup with an i7-2600k, and it comes with bf3 :P. I believe they ship to Canada, I will post it after school i only have 5 min before i need to be ready for the bus lol.

Nvidia is the way to go for fsx

Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 09:51 ET by Cristian Avram

Sounds good, ill trust your judgement. I can probably take the list and print it cause theres a physical computer store here in YYC that also lets you build systems from scratch. Take it to them and see what they think

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 16:38 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

I am getting the list and links from tigerdirect right now smile

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 16:41 ET by David Garrison

www.newegg.ca - get the 2500k or 2600k or the AMD 8120.. overclock it past 4.5ghz and you will be a happy simmer.

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 16:55 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

One question do you ever plan on overclocking your processor? I ask because it depends on the processor I suggest. One is stronger, but can't be overclocked the other can be but is a little weaker before the clock. It may be worth it to get the non overclocked but little faster cpu if you don't ever want to bother with it.

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 17:21 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

Here is what I came up with.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4829307&sku=L12-1312%20OEM -simple cd drive
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1506371&sku=B69-4514 - i7-2600k comes with BF3 wink

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7335485&sku=C13-2527 cpu cooler I have the same one on my 8120 works amazing smile

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7281716&sku=TSD-500AAKX -simple hard drive 500gb
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6624656&sku=T925-2412 -650w psu is also modular smile

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=500855&sku=C13-6003 - nice case seen lots of reviews on it nothing but good about it there is also a white one if you would like me to show you
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=40739&sku=C13-5720 - 8 gigs of corsair ram
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7343078&sku=A455-3034 mobo for the cpu looks nice good reviews support for sli or crossfire in the future
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1702987&sku=S15-0568 lower end gtx 560 gpu

total cost 1,170.91 with $50 in rebates
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Suggestions to talk to your computer store about
SSD instead of a normal HDD these cost about $120-150 for 120Gigs here is an example http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1083887&Sku=P33-8501

Here is an ATI gpu if you are still stuck on that
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1006280&CatId=3669 here is an 6870

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=356683&CatId=3669 here is a gtx 560 ti that is also overclocked this is a little higher end then the 560 above

Here is the same case that I bought when I built my computer I really like it plenty of room and keeps cool also looks pretty sweet. Will also save you $100, don't get me wrong though not nearly as nice of a case as the corsair one above.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=41018&CatId=1509

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 18:09 ET by Thiago Braga

From HDD to SSD is a plus. Faster HD.

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 19:18 ET by Cristian Avram

Louis, really appreciate you coming up with that...everything looks fantastic at that 1200 price makes me happy...definitely need to see if the local store here has all this...that way it could be done more quickly. Thanks again man!

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 19:44 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

Shipping told me 8-12 days when i ordered but it arrived in less then 48 hours i was shocked :P. But I live only hours drive from one of there warehouses.

Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 19:47 ET by Cristian Avram

Ah see i'm all the way in calgary so I have no idea how long that might even take. Whereas if my store here has all those components I'm sure they could have it done in 2 days as well

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 20:40 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

You will be in for a little more money at a computer store (tiger direct is like the wholesaler of comp parts :P) but then you would not have to deal with building which imo is the best part. Anyways good luck smile

glad to see you like my suggestions.

Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 20:42 ET by Cristian Avram

Well this place is essentially the same thing, just in a physical store form. They're also a wholesaler, specializing in computer parts, but I don't have a problem with having to wait for a delivery

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 21:01 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

NICE

ever since I moved from my home town of Las Vegas I have been stuck to buying everything off the net. The only computer store or store that carrys parts is best buy and some small store that charges a like $40 upcharge on simple $150 graphics cards. Bestbuy is not bad but they only carry like 1 case a few power supplies some fans and a few graphics cards.

Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 21:04 ET by Cristian Avram

Yeah i've learned chain stores are crap for Gaming PC's. HUGE markup for dismal setups.

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 21:11 ET by Cristian Avram

Also, if i go with TigerDirect, i just add all those components to my cart, and there will be an option to assemble the whole thing as well?

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 21:19 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

No you will receive all parts in boxes and then you have to put it together. I am only 16, it took me about 3 hours to get the whole thing together. Its fun imo, but then again I am trying to find a way to build more I could see building computers as a side job if i could get into it somehow.

Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 21:28 ET by Cristian Avram

Holy hell I don't wanna have to put this thing together!

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Posted onPost created on February 29 2012 22:10 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

its honestly not hard its a couple of cords and some screws. its made out to be much harder then it really is

Posted onPost created on March 01 2012 16:44 ET by Cristian Avram

Well I suppose...still I'd have no notion of what goes where...

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Posted onPost created on March 01 2012 17:01 ET by Alan Barber

Cristian - with a bit of research and time PC builds are relatively easy. As Louis says once you get into it its quite enjoyable. I think you need to consider what the convenience factor of having it ready built is worth to you. At the risk of confusing you (sorry) I did a quick search and came up with this http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Infinity_8800_Pro/ I don't know how Cyberpower rate as a company but they are having a sale so you might be able to get some more bang for your buck.

It's a bit late this side of the pond but I'll check in tomorrow if you need any help.

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Posted onPost created on March 01 2012 18:27 ET by Cristian Avram

I think something ready built would be easier for me, as I don't fully trust myself to build my own PC, and nobody else in my family is up to date on technology

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Posted onPost created on March 01 2012 19:13 ET by Cristian Avram

Alan, really loving that system you got going for me there

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Posted onPost created on March 01 2012 20:26 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

I tried to get a cryberpowerpc for x-mass my dad refused to buy me a computer from the site. He told me that there were alot of problems from them, after some research I found alot of good stories but also alot of horror stories. Some included no thermal paste on the bottom of a cpu cooler causing computers to overheat and turn off before they even got past the BIOs. Boxes being smashed ect ect not that shipping concerns are not always there.

IF you really want to buy that computer I have a few suggestions.
1. Downgrade the processor to the 2600k its the same processor with a different name and a slight overclock saves some money
2. Pay for the 560ti to be the evga superclocked its is only like $13 more and unless you want to overclock your self would be worth it
3. March Madness Sale - Free Upgrade from Corsair 120GB Force get that its $23 more over the 2tb data drive then use an old harddrive for data if you must<highly suggested
4. 2nd harddrive if you don't have an older one laying around the house 500gb its $94
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I understand this raises the price by about $110 but its worth it to throw the OS on the ssd along with flight sim and just use a crappy hard drive.

Also remember thats $1200 before windows just like tiger direct would have been

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Posted onPost created on March 01 2012 20:28 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

If you are willing to ditch the i7

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Scorpius_9000/

has a gtx 580 which is a really really really nice vid card

or to bring the price down check this out
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Ultra_CrossFireX_FX/

crossfiring amd cards for pretty cheap and an amd 8120

Posted onPost created on March 01 2012 22:23 ET by Cristian Avram

Wow eight cores on that first one...impressive

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Posted onPost created on March 02 2012 06:45 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

the 8 cores are still not as good as the 4 core i7-2600k but with some easy oc it pushes right under it

Posted onPost created on March 02 2012 11:49 ET by Cristian Avram

Hmmm I don't think i'd like to venture into the OC realm, so I think i'd stick with the iCore anyway.....more isn't always better right

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Posted onPost created on March 02 2012 12:33 ET by Alan Barber

Cristian - bit difficult for me on this side of the Atlantic knowing who is a reputable retailer and who is not. I think you will find that Cyberpower PC's are available through re-sellers so that might be worth a look, also at the end of the day if goods arrive unfit for purpose then the seller is obliged to sort it out. Shame you are not in the UK cos my son reccently got this http://www.chillblast.com/Chillblast-Fusion-Batwing-Special-Limited-Edition-PC.html and it absolutely flies. I think you would find the price/shipping/exchange rate a bit of a killler though!!

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Posted onPost created on March 02 2012 16:06 ET by Cristian Avram

Seems all the good PC companies are in the UK eh? However I'm sure it's not a huge hassle to ship something to me on this side of the pond. And how great is it that a PC built for FS will fly on a real bird to get here!

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Posted onPost created on March 02 2012 16:35 ET by Alan Barber

That would be $1500 CAD before shipping and any import taxes you have to pay. I would stay 'over there' if I were you! smile

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Posted onPost created on March 02 2012 20:38 ET by Cristian Avram

Yeah, looks like I can't get away with anything less than about 1200 over here, and that's with assembly...so oh well! Least when I build it it'll last for a few good years!

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Posted onPost created on March 03 2012 09:15 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

A few good years is honestly out of the question 4 years ago 2 gigs of ram was a ton and a single core processor was more then enough to handle anything. Even the next gen intel chips coming out later this year are suppose to be like %30 faster then the current ones.

Posted onPost created on March 03 2012 11:14 ET by Cristian Avram

Well...at least there's always upgrading. I would've with my current system, but give it's a Bestbuy rig, and that upgrading costs exceed original value grossly, I figured it's better to buy a whole new system

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Posted onPost created on March 03 2012 12:35 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

for sure i understand...

you should definitely just buy the parts from tiger direct and just build it its honestly just like 5 mobo screws and some cables its insanely simple

Posted onPost created on March 03 2012 13:14 ET by Cristian Avram

I'll have a chat with the people here to get some guidance as to how to put it all together. But with tiger direct, i have to factor in the shipping costs compared to the in-store prices and which would be more beneficial. For the ones you suggested they do have them all here, minus a different selection of cases

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Posted onPost created on March 03 2012 14:56 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

http://www.ncix.com/ is good in Canada but they have a pretty big up charge

your best bet is to go with your site that you already found

to think about it i did not realize the shipping would be almost $300 for you with tiger direct

i lied again http://www.tigerdirect.ca

they have tigerdirect in canada i know in the usa shipping is free for basically everything

i looked around and the shipping cost $45 for shipping to T2N 1G5 is that a zip code around you?

Posted onPost created on March 03 2012 15:43 ET by Cristian Avram

Ahh, if there's a .CA site this changes things. The store here; Memory Express; does have a bit of a markup on the items in questions

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Posted onPost created on March 03 2012 19:50 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

good luck, tell me if you need any help

Posted onPost created on March 04 2012 11:49 ET by Cristian Avram

This is gonna be a big purchase...which I think i'll be putting off till May or June. However I want to be as educated as possible so that's why i'm going through everything right now. I can get away with about 1300 from tiger direct with shipping, which is not bad considering the parts I selected

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Posted onPost created on March 04 2012 13:24 ET by Alan Barber

By which time the products you have selected may have gone down in price, which is good. Or new, better items will be out for the same'ish money. My mantra when upgrading is 'to buy the best you can afford at the time'

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Posted onPost created on March 04 2012 14:07 ET by Cristian Avram

And that's exactly what i'm going for! smile

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Posted onPost created on March 09 2012 07:07 ET by Gerry McGraw

Louis Vanbelkum wrote:

There is little to no point in buying a computer from bestbuy. Buying a computer will cost 2-3x the cost of building it.

Actually, I build my own computers and it typically (I think) costs me anywhere from 10-30 % more, however, when you build your own you can control what parts you put in it. I have gone on websites and tried to configure them and there is always one or two things I want that you can't get with something else you put on it etc. If that kind of control doesn't matter to you then it may be better going with a store bought system. In my Amazon cart I have $2600 worth of parts ready to order (but that includes 2 vid cards, 2 monitors and 2 ssd cards) so subtract 5-600 for the dual parts as a guide and the rig is around $2k. I haven't researched it but that rig is probably a little less at a store.

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Posted onPost created on March 09 2012 07:12 ET by Gerry McGraw

Cristian Avram wrote:

Well I suppose...still I'd have no notion of what goes where...

Everything only goes in one place, you can't mess it up...trust me...if I can do it anyone can LOL.. Not to mention you can likely find videos on YouTube to do it if you're still edgy about it. It is kinda fun to but can be frustrating at times.

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Posted onPost created on March 09 2012 07:13 ET by Gerry McGraw

Also, I should read the whole thread before I post cool

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Posted onPost created on March 09 2012 13:53 ET by David Garrison

Gerry McGraw wrote:

Louis Vanbelkum wrote:

There is little to no point in buying a computer from bestbuy. Buying a computer will cost 2-3x the cost of building it.

Actually, I build my own computers and it typically (I think) costs me anywhere from 10-30 % more, however, when you build your own you can control what parts you put in it. I have gone on websites and tried to configure them and there is always one or two things I want that you can't get with something else you put on it etc. If that kind of control doesn't matter to you then it may be better going with a store bought system. In my Amazon cart I have $2600 worth of parts ready to order (but that includes 2 vid cards, 2 monitors and 2 ssd cards) so subtract 5-600 for the dual parts as a guide and the rig is around $2k. I haven't researched it but that rig is probably a little less at a store.

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haha sorry but no. If you're trying to build your grandmother a simple PC for internet and email - then it's cheaper to buy a prebuilt. but once you venture into the realm of performance PC's, building your own is almost ALWAYS cheaper.

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Posted onPost created on March 09 2012 16:09 ET by Louis Vanbelkum

Gerry McGraw wrote:

Louis Vanbelkum wrote:

There is little to no point in buying a computer from bestbuy. Buying a computer will cost 2-3x the cost of building it.

Actually, I build my own computers and it typically (I think) costs me anywhere from 10-30 % more, however, when you build your own you can control what parts you put in it. I have gone on websites and tried to configure them and there is always one or two things I want that you can't get with something else you put on it etc. If that kind of control doesn't matter to you then it may be better going with a store bought system. In my Amazon cart I have $2600 worth of parts ready to order (but that includes 2 vid cards, 2 monitors and 2 ssd cards) so subtract 5-600 for the dual parts as a guide and the rig is around $2k. I haven't researched it but that rig is probably a little less at a store.

i7+GTX570+8 Gb Ram+good MB+viewsonic Mon+SSDs+Cooler+case+PS

To be honest show mw where you are going to buy that for cheaper, or just let alone buy it at all the only companys with any kind of rep that i would trust to buy the computer over the net from< is alienware, or maybe Ibuypower but i have heard really bad reviews and good reviews about ibuypower but I would probally go for it depended on there return policys and warrentys. I heard a couple of guys pull there heatsink off after it not being able to boot fully, and finding out no thermal paste or it slapped on and leaking out the side. When you build your self there is quallity control.

Posted onPost created on March 09 2012 21:10 ET by Cristian Avram

I think I may buy parts and assemble it myself. IT guy at work really gave me some help as far as putting things in place

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