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DVA8060
First Officer, B737-800

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343 legs, 986.8 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on February 01 2013 06:36 ET by Jamie Moss

So my new system finally arrived and I,ve got round to installing FSX, at this point with no add ons, I'm finding in the VC mode the FPS is not what I thought it would-be for a pc of this size

I7-3770 3.5ghz oc @ 4.5
NVIDIA 670 2gb geforce graphics
8 gb ram
2 huge hard drive

Anyone else with similar system, what tweaks do u have to apply to get VC FPS to a level of around 30 regardless of scenery/add on aircraft, do add ons have a more positive effect than defaults, such as UT/GEX programs.

I thought this system would be fine straight out of the box, if the worse comes to the worst then I may just return to FS9 but that would then defeat the point of buying a pc for FSX

Any assistance would-be great, it would appear that the transition to FSX is a tricky one

Jamie Moss

First Officer, B737-800

DVA11180
Captain, A320

Joined on December 12 2012
Century Club

Minneapolis, MN

143 legs, 266.3 hours
133 legs, 249.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on February 01 2013 08:26 ET by Caleb Williams

Don't have the direct link, but the AvSim forum contains a comprehensive tweaking guide for FSX. I would check that out. Also there's a program whose name i cannot remember that will tweak FSX as well.

Caleb Williams

Captain, A320

DVA10705
First Officer, B747-400
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Kamloops, BC Canada

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Posted onPost created on February 01 2013 09:12 ET by Bill Gardiner

Here is a link to the Avsim guide. Some of these tweaks give you marginal improvement but some of them are a must have. And you should do the whole thing, read through the whole guide because some of them interact with each other.

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/398025-avsim-software-and-hardware-guide-for-fsx/

Bill Gardiner

First Officer, B747-400

DVA11180
Captain, A320

Joined on December 12 2012
Century Club

Minneapolis, MN

143 legs, 266.3 hours
133 legs, 249.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on February 01 2013 10:12 ET by Caleb Williams

Bill, which tweaks would you say cause the biggest differences?

Caleb Williams

Captain, A320

DVA1583
Senior Captain, MD-11
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South America

710 legs, 1,938.2 hours
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589 legs, 1,630.3 hours ACARS
16 legs, 61.2 hours event

Posted onPost created on February 01 2013 10:14 ET by Charly Azcue

I recently build a similar system
i7 3770K - 16Gb DDR3 - GTX680 2Gb
I follow Kosta´s guide and have very fluid sim with PMDG NGX even at stock i7 3.9Ghz, no overclocking.
http://kostasfsworld.wordpress.com/fsx-software-and-hardware-guide/
Regards

Charly Azcue (DVA1583)

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578 legs, 894.1 hours online
931 legs, 1,647.1 hours ACARS
43 legs, 67.0 hours event

Posted onPost created on February 01 2013 10:18 ET by Don Thomas

I guess the key word is "perfectly".

My system is; Intel Core i5-2500 CPU @ 3.30 GHz over clocked to 4.00 with 4 gb ram. Nvidia 8800GTX ( yes its old).

Graphics, FPS to unlimited, trilinear, anti aliasing on. Global texture very high.
Aircraft, set to Medium high
Scenery, raduis large, mesh 94, Mesh Res 1m, texture res 30cm, water effects 1.x, scenery complexity extream dense, auto gen very dense, special effects high
Weather, very low
Traffic, I use MyTraffic X Professional Version 5.4b set at 50% factorey set to custom then airline density slid to 50%

with FSX I got

44.5 frames per second http://www.deltava.org/pirep.do?id=0xd649e
26.5 frames per second http://www.deltava.org/thread.do?id=0x1baa8
40.1 frames per second http://www.deltava.org/pirep.do?id=0xd4d6d

fs9 gives me

189.6 frames per second http://www.deltava.org/thread.do?id=0x1baa8

I am very happy.
fs9 for online flights and fsx with radar contact for off line flights.

for ME that is as perfect as I need it.

Don Thomas

Senior Captain, B737-800

DVA11221
Captain, B777-200
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Issaquah, WA

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Posted onPost created on February 01 2013 10:59 ET by Shaun Oneil

I saw the best performance enhancements after I utilized the following:

http://www.venetubo.com/fsx.html ... automated tool to tweak your fsx.cfg
http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/1598-fps-limiter-02/ ... external fps limiter
http://forum.avsim.net/topic/324786-nvidia-configuration-guide-inspector-2xxxx-drivers-version-20-explanations-of-all-settings/ ... forum post for how to setup nvidia inspector tool to appropriately adjust GPU settings for FSX

Shaun Oneil

Captain, B777-200

Posted onPost created on February 01 2013 14:40 ET by Bill Gardiner

Calem, I would rename your fsx.cfg to something else, then restart fsx. There will be a new one built for you with default settings. Make the settings in fsx that you want, like autogen and weather and looking at the guide, then exit fsx and edit the new fsx.cfg file with the recommendations from the guide. Then you'll have a completely fresh fsx.cfg with all the settings from the guide but can get back to where you were before if you want.

Bill Gardiner

First Officer, B747-400

DVA10698
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Posted onPost created on February 01 2013 15:51 ET by Jay Marin

Since you have an NVIDIA video card, this might help as well. I did follow through and it helped on mine system. Good luck!
http://forum.avsim.net/topic/324786-nvidia-configuration-guide-inspector-2xxxx-drivers-version-20-explanations-of-all-settings/

Jay Marin (DVA10698)

DVA8158
Captain, B767-300
OLP

Joined on December 31 2009
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Newnan, GA USA

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Posted onPost created on February 03 2013 12:33 ET by Peter Bagrationoff

Jamie Moss wrote:

So my new system finally arrived and I,ve got round to installing FSX, at this point with no add ons, I'm finding in the VC mode the FPS is not what I thought it would-be for a pc of this size

I7-3770 3.5ghz oc @ 4.5
NVIDIA 670 2gb geforce graphics
8 gb ram
2 huge hard drive

Anyone else with similar system, what tweaks do u have to apply to get VC FPS to a level of around 30 regardless of scenery/add on aircraft, do add ons have a more positive effect than defaults, such as UT/GEX programs.

I thought this system would be fine straight out of the box, if the worse comes to the worst then I may just return to FS9 but that would then defeat the point of buying a pc for FSX

Any assistance would-be great, it would appear that the transition to FSX is a tricky one

I have similar specs and all I can tell you is you will have to spend some time tweaking it. I have my sliders at 75% and get 30 FPS in the PMDG NGX with default scenery and using AS2012 textures with Opus FSX weather. I used Bjote's tweaking tool already mentioned http://www.venetubo.com/fsx.html and some other changes found on the Avsim forums. It probably took me about 8 hours of reading, tweaking, testing, etc before I came up with the right combination for me. Also experiment with the Inspector Settings until you get the best visuals and performance ratio. Its really a matter of personal preference.

Peter Bagrationoff (DVA8158)

Posted onPost created on February 03 2013 16:53 ET by Jamie Moss

Guys thank you so much, tried that tweaking software and suddenly things changed almost immediatly, if I turn off the autogen I am getting 100 FPS even at EHAM, which was unheard of for me in FS9!, the true test will obviously come as I start to add stuff particularly the pmdg 747, but you all have given me so much pleasure with your tips, just as I was considering continuing with FS9

Jamie Moss

First Officer, B737-800

Posted onPost created on February 05 2013 04:40 ET by Jamie Moss

Peter are those specs not very strong then?, maybe I was naive in thinking that would be strong enough to run FSX the way I want it, mega airport Amsterdam dropped the FPS below 20 and to me that is not good enough, fortunatly the same airfield in FS9 was able to achieve twice as much so I think I will return to that, the question I can't figure out is why FSX was made in such a way that u need a super pc to be able to run it

Jamie Moss

First Officer, B737-800

Posted onPost created on February 06 2013 19:05 ET by Don Thomas

"Why is FSX was made in such a way that u need a super pc to be able to run it ?"

It was built for future tech to catch up, as pc's speed up they would catch up to FSX. It was also the last flight sim they were putting out.

They could re write it in something other than the current language but found it to be cost prohibitive. They did not sell more FSX programs than FS9, so they assumed that only replacment copies were being purchased, or for evey one getting into simming one was getting out. The market share did not expand.

They, MS aso found out that there was no way to profit from the countless add ons being developed. They tried in "Flight" ( which flopped ).

This is based on a conversation I had with a MS development person vacationing where I work.

My $0.02

Don Thomas

Senior Captain, B737-800

Posted onPost created on February 06 2013 19:34 ET by Bill Gardiner

"Why is FSX was made in such a way that u need a super pc to be able to run it ?"

It is a product of its time and so has some serious architectural issues. It is not 64 bit so the CPU can't take advantage of advanced memory management and more and faster RAM, it was written for one core so can't take advantage of multiple core CPU's, and is CPU dependent so doesn't take advantage of today's graphics cards. So even a super PC is going to struggle because the code can't take full advantage. And it's nobody's fault, that's just the way it was done then. The fact that FSX is still going and has such a strong community keeping it going is pretty cool.

Bill Gardiner

First Officer, B747-400

Posted onPost created on February 08 2013 17:35 ET by Jamie Moss

Bill/Don

some interesting views there for sure, the way I like to have flight simulator running is pointing me towards keeping with fs9, it is a shame but as you say thats the way it has been done, I can get more out of fs9 than fsx, there is still a quality 747 for fs9 and it should run well on this pc, plus most of the airports KLM serves with the 74 are available for it still

Thanks for those points it proves that it would be difficult to get a perfect running fsx regardless

Jamie Moss

First Officer, B737-800

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