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Posted onPost created on
May 19 2013 20:23 ET by Robbie Johnson
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I was browsing reddit and I found the following on /r/buildapc and found this http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1en16c/haswell_and_ivy_bridgee_info_and_faq_two_week/
It has a lot of info on the upcoming Haswell line of CPUs that many of you who are planning a computer build in the near future should take note of.
Some of the stand-out info:
- Socket 1150: This means that you would need to buy a new motherboard along with your new CPU if you are upgrading.
-On-die VRM: While this is mostly speculation, we believe this will lead to the ability to reach higher and safer overclocks.
-Integrated Graphics: They will be improved; while this still most likely won't be enough for most gaming, it may be passable for FS. I would still recommend a discrete graphics card but it does open the door for FS on lower settings.
-Idling: Haswell will be capable of idling at 800mhz instead of 1600mhz meaning lower power consumption at idle.
-Performance: You can expect a 10-15% increase in performance
These are the main points that would matter for us, but there are some other notes you can read by following the link. I believe it will be worth the wait if you are planning on building soon and plan on doing any overclocking or using integrated graphics. Otherwise it may be wise to wait simply to get the new socket so it would be easier to upgrade in the future.
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DVA10641
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Posted onPost created on
May 19 2013 23:21 ET by Jason Boche
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Robbie Johnson wrote:
-Performance: You can expect a 10-15% increase in performance
10-15% performance increase based on what? Sandy Bridge? No offense but if you're already at a 3rd generation i7, I think that's crap. Clearly not worth the wait, not worth what they will cost when they first come out, and due to the motherboard replacement requirement, not worth time to rebuild FSX. I think I got in at an opportune time with the 3770k processor - right before Haswell comes out so there are a lot of great deals to be had.
Jason BocheAssistant Chief Pilot, B757-200
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DVA10131
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May 20 2013 01:12 ET by Robbie Johnson
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10-15% from Ivy. It is what is typically expected from a tock, and for something as CPU hungry as FSX it can make a noticeable difference. It is also safe to assume that Haswell will overclock higher and safer. An i7 is a waste of money for FS or gaming either way. While I agree that it would not be upgrading an existing system, it is certainly worth putting off a planned build for a month or so to get better performance as well as the extra features that Haswell will provide.
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May 20 2013 06:58 ET by Nikolay Klimchuk
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There are 2 reasons for Intel to make new generation of CPU just slightly better for FSX:
1) Desktop sales are not growing, that means all efforts to optimize CPUs for laptops: lower power consumption, integrate better GPUs
2) AMD is falling behind and doesn't create necessary competition
Unfortunately this is long term trend.
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DVA10641
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Posted onPost created on
May 20 2013 09:16 ET by Jason Boche
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Robbie Johnson wrote:
10-15% from Ivy. It is what is typically expected from a tock, and for something as CPU hungry as FSX it can make a noticeable difference. It is also safe to assume that Haswell will overclock higher and safer. An i7 is a waste of money for FS or gaming either way. While I agree that it would not be upgrading an existing system, it is certainly worth putting off a planned build for a month or so to get better performance as well as the extra features that Haswell will provide.
Do you know if any of the Haswell procs will be unlocked or easily overclockable? After re-reading what I had written earlier, I hope you did not feel the "that's crap" portion was directed at you. It was my late night irritated response towards the PC upgrade rat race. Hopefully the Haswells are affordable but as a related example of where I'm coming from, I was looking at GeForce video cards the other day and while I'm sure the EVGA GTX 680 or 690 they were pushing was nice, it was fairly new and priced at $510. I wasn't going to pay an extra $300 for what I'll just call marginal performance increase when FSX draws, at best, 25% of its performance factor from the GPU.
I don't do nearly as much gaming as I used to when I was younger, FSX is really all I have time for, so lately I only tech refresh "the rig" about every 3-4 years. Folks that are upgrading much more often to "keep up with the best FPS possible" are more heavily impacted financially by incremental releases like Haswell. If you're already at a 3rd gen i7, Haswell at 10-15% increase in performance isn't going to be worth the $ IMO and that's where I was coming from.
Whatever you get, congratulations in advance and do share with us! I am excited for you. I was on final approach last night for my first flight/online event with the new system and I almost couldn't fly the aircraft it felt so odd because it was so darned smooth - I'm not used to that yet. 
Jason BocheAssistant Chief Pilot, B757-200
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DVA10131
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Charleston, SC USA
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123 legs,
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130 legs,
451.7 hours ACARS
11 legs,
38.5 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 20 2013 16:14 ET by Robbie Johnson
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All of the K series will be unlocked. I agree that it would not be worth it to upgrade your current system, but for those planning on building it would certainly be worth it to go with Haswell given that the prices will likely be very similar. For video cards, while FS doesn't take much, the higher end ones are necessary for gaming. I typically recommend a 660Ti even for FS builds but in reality an upgrade for a client of mine who reused his old 9800GT worked just fine for FSX.
I'm not personally going to be upgrading to Haswell, I just put up the info for those who may be interested or plan on building in the next few months. The only people I would really recommend to upgrade would be those who are still running pre Sandy Bridge CPUs and are having trouble with FSX performance.
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