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Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 14:02 ET by Thiago Braga

This site tells all the best configuration for FSX:
http://www.jetlinesystems.com/performance.php

Thiago Braga (DVA9545)

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123 legs, 428.0 hours online
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Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 14:43 ET by Robbie Johnson

That information is rather inaccurate.

Robbie Johnson (DVA10131)

Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 14:51 ET by Thiago Braga

why?

Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 14:59 ET by Robbie Johnson

The performance difference between i7/i5 is non existent for gaming/flight sim. Memory performance does not make nearly the difference that the graph depicts (at their speeds anyways), same for CAS Latency. GPU performance is dead wrong as far as flight sim goes. Your choice in storage won't affect performance in any game after it loads and that is not properly represented. This site is just making up figures in an attempt to sell you overpriced systems; I would stay as far away from them as possible.

Robbie Johnson (DVA10131)

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Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 15:17 ET by Jason Boche

That's pretty harsh. What they are recommending isn't leaps and bounds different than what a good gaming system is going to include in it today. Some of what they recommend is going to be ideal for overclocking. I found their information fairly accurate & built my system pretty close to their top recommended specs & still came in around $1k after rebates which is not a lot of dough for a gaming rig based on what you could spend on something like Alienware. I didn't buy my system from them. That said, I can't quantify the difference between an i5 and an i7 with emperical results as I've never had an i5. I do use my machine for other things and appreciate the fastest components affordable. Each to their own opinion I guess. I value everyone's input.

Jason Boche

Assistant Chief Pilot, B757-200

Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 17:55 ET by Thiago Braga

Jason Boche wrote:

That's pretty harsh. What they are recommending isn't leaps and bounds different than what a good gaming system is going to include in it today. Some of what they recommend is going to be ideal for overclocking. I found their information fairly accurate & built my system pretty close to their top recommended specs & still came in around $1k after rebates which is not a lot of dough for a gaming rig based on what you could spend on something like Alienware. I didn't buy my system from them. That said, I can't quantify the difference between an i5 and an i7 with emperical results as I've never had an i5. I do use my machine for other things and appreciate the fastest components affordable. Each to their own opinion I guess. I value everyone's input.

Jason, I do have I7 and I5 Processors, There is a lot of differences between each other on processing the game. Both of my are O/C and running great and not running less than 15 FPS while on "PMDG, REX on cloudy day and FSdreamteam KJFK Scenery". On the other hand, Storage drivers such SSD`s makes FSX loading a lot faster than normal HDD, as I don`t see any difference while flying like Robbie is probably saying.

Now Robbie, What is your suggestion on GPU? Forget about money, which GPU will run great on FSX?

Thanks guys.

Thiago Braga (DVA9545)

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31 legs, 181.3 hours online
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Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 18:01 ET by Brandon Howell

Thiago Braga wrote:

Jason Boche wrote:

That's pretty harsh. What they are recommending isn't leaps and bounds different than what a good gaming system is going to include in it today. Some of what they recommend is going to be ideal for overclocking. I found their information fairly accurate & built my system pretty close to their top recommended specs & still came in around $1k after rebates which is not a lot of dough for a gaming rig based on what you could spend on something like Alienware. I didn't buy my system from them. That said, I can't quantify the difference between an i5 and an i7 with emperical results as I've never had an i5. I do use my machine for other things and appreciate the fastest components affordable. Each to their own opinion I guess. I value everyone's input.

Jason, I do have I7 and I5 Processors, There is a lot of differences between each other on processing the game. Both of my are O/C and running great and not running less than 15 FPS while on "PMDG, REX on cloudy day and FSdreamteam KJFK Scenery". On the other hand, Storage drivers such SSD`s makes FSX loading a lot faster than normal HDD, as I don`t see any difference while flying like Robbie is probably saying.

Now Robbie, What is your suggestion on GPU? Forget about money, which GPU will run great on FSX?

Thanks guys.

If money really is not an issue: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681412163

Brandon Howell (DVA8752)

Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 18:37 ET by Robbie Johnson

For only FSX anything over a 660 is a waste (and to some extent a 660 is also a waste). If you are also a gamer I would shoot for a 780 (just released today, about 10% slower than a Titan) or a 770 (should be released in a week or so, about 10% faster than a 680). For FSX the GPU is almost irrelevant, in a recent build/upgrade for a client who only uses FSX I reused his old 9800gt and he still gets very similar FSX performance as my new computer did at stock clocks. The main reason I typically recommend stronger GPUs to those with the budget is for gaming outside of FS where you can actually see a benefit to using the more expensive GPUs.

Robbie Johnson (DVA10131)

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Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 19:33 ET by Luke Kolin

The issue I have with the page is that you don't see any units with the bar charts. Sure, lower latency memory is better - but what is the performance increase versus the price? Would you pay $50 for lower latency memory for a 10 FPS increase? How about for a 0.5 FPS increase?

No units or specifics, I get suspicious.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 19:47 ET by Jason Boche

Most vendors don't like to get that specific in their marketing & some even forbid the publishing of benchmark results. Leave the hard numbers up to the analysts and the message boards.
The units are displayed as relative comparisons to other comparable hardware.

Jason Boche

Assistant Chief Pilot, B757-200

Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 20:09 ET by Robbie Johnson

Luke Kolin wrote:

The issue I have with the page is that you don't see any units with the bar charts. Sure, lower latency memory is better - but what is the performance increase versus the price? Would you pay $50 for lower latency memory for a 10 FPS increase? How about for a 0.5 FPS increase?

No units or specifics, I get suspicious.

Cheers!

Another great point. I especially don't trust that site due to the prices of their systems. I threw together a parts list of their cheapest system; They charge $1600 but it can be built for $700 and includes incredibly bad choice in parts. They are outright trying to scam the flight sim community.

Robbie Johnson (DVA10131)

Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 20:45 ET by Jason Boche

They offer a 30 day money back guarantee, have a long list of happy customers, and they publish their commodity parts list to window shoppers in a free market who can use that list to freely shop elsewhere. I'd hardly call this a scam. Can you do better on price? Of course. I did. Keep in mind not everyone is able to assemble a computer. Some have more $ than time and would rather spend what free time they have on family or flight simming. I'd say they fill a gap in a niche market.

Now on the other hand if they proclaimed superior performance with vague numbers on OEM hardware only available through them, then I'd be a skeptic.

Jason Boche

Assistant Chief Pilot, B757-200

Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 21:42 ET by Robbie Johnson

They do proclaim higher performance for FSX. Even for those who can't build a computer themselves (which is no one, really) there are far better options than this. Below is what they want you to pay $1600 for:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro4-M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($91.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Galaxy GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $700.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-23 21:31 EDT-0400)

Parts alone and even without promos and MIR it still comes out to less than half of what they are asking. It is also using very low quality parts. How is a 100% markup on a terrible computer not a scam? Even Dell can do better than that.

Robbie Johnson (DVA10131)

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Posted onPost created on May 23 2013 22:02 ET by Timothy Thomas

for that kind of money you might as well go buy a top of the line alignware PC. then be set for a year or 2. not just for FS but for other games to should you decide to play them.

Timothy Thomas

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Posted onPost created on May 24 2013 06:45 ET by Nikolay Klimchuk

"We recommend the Nvidia GTX 680 (2 GB)
graphics card for best performance now and keeping your rig
ready for future." MegaLOL

What future? There is no future for FSX...

Nikolay Klimchuk (DVA5974)

Posted onPost created on May 24 2013 09:33 ET by Jason Boche

Nikolay Klimchuk wrote:

"We recommend the Nvidia GTX 680 (2 GB)
graphics card for best performance now and keeping your rig
ready for future." MegaLOL

What future? There is no future for FSX...

"Jetline Systems designs and builds the world's fastest PC systems,
specifically engineered to dominate intense simulation programs like
Microsoft FSX and Lockheed Martin Prepar3D."

Jason Boche

Assistant Chief Pilot, B757-200

Posted onPost created on May 24 2013 09:50 ET by Jason Boche

Robbie Johnson wrote:

They do proclaim higher performance for FSX. Even for those who can't build a computer themselves (which is no one, really) there are far better options than this. Below is what they want you to pay $1600 for:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro4-M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($91.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Galaxy GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $700.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-23 21:31 EDT-0400)

Parts alone and even without promos and MIR it still comes out to less than half of what they are asking. It is also using very low quality parts. How is a 100% markup on a terrible computer not a scam? Even Dell can do better than that.

It's not 100% markup.
Your memory configuration is half the quantity and slower speeds.
Your single 7,200 RPM SATA drive doesn't stack up to their multiple drive configuration including SSD to meet both performance and capacity needs. Not to mention, your 500GB capacity config won't meet the needs of some flight simmers with mega scenery - that I guarantee.
I doubt that's a $30 case in their picture.
You're also forgetting a few big components included in that $1,600 - labor for assembly/installation as well as flight sim tailored support services and the no questions asked return warranty. People are buying peace of mind here.

You can argue that some of their components aren't necessary (such as the SSDs) but you can't go cheap on your shopping list and call their premium ingredients 100% markup by comparison. Hopefully we can at least agree on that smile

Jason Boche

Assistant Chief Pilot, B757-200

Posted onPost created on May 24 2013 15:00 ET by Robbie Johnson

Jason Boche wrote:

It's not 100% markup.
Your memory configuration is half the quantity and slower speeds.
Your single 7,200 RPM SATA drive doesn't stack up to their multiple drive configuration including SSD to meet both performance and capacity needs. Not to mention, your 500GB capacity config won't meet the needs of some flight simmers with mega scenery - that I guarantee.
I doubt that's a $30 case in their picture.
You're also forgetting a few big components included in that $1,600 - labor for assembly/installation as well as flight sim tailored support services and the no questions asked return warranty. People are buying peace of mind here.

You can argue that some of their components aren't necessary (such as the SSDs) but you can't go cheap on your shopping list and call their premium ingredients 100% markup by comparison. Hopefully we can at least agree on that :)

http://www.jetlinesystems.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=181

I went down the list for this system. It is exactly what they sell for $1600.

Robbie Johnson (DVA10131)

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