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DVA11888
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Posted onPost created on February 01 2014 00:20 ET by Chris Ferrell

Hello All,
I have recently added Drzeweicki Design's New York City scenery and I'm getting a weird memory error I've never seen before. Before I go any further, I also did the Kosta's FS World tweaks as per the site and whenever I get close to NYC, I get a message saying that I ran out of memory and FSX closes. I wouldn't be so concerned but just a while ago, it did the same thing on my approach to KDTW (Default Scenery). I'm running UTX, GEX, REX, FS Copilot, PMDG 737 NGX, OPUS weather and online with FSInn. I have never had this problem before so I'm wondering if its something with the tweaks that caused it. I'm running a Core i7 3770K @4.2 GHz, 8 GB of Kingston Hyper-X, EVGA GTX 660, 850W TT Gold PS, Z77 board. Do I really need more memory, or is there something deeper?

Thanks ahead for any advice

Chris Ferrell

Captain, B777-200

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Posted onPost created on February 01 2014 01:06 ET by Bill Gardiner

There's a good article on Kosta's site about Out Of Memory (OOM) errors.

http://kostasfsworld.wordpress.com/fsx-oom-and-addon-vas-usage/

Bill Gardiner

Senior Captain, B747-400

Posted onPost created on February 01 2014 17:40 ET by Chris Ferrell

Well, that's nice....I guess I could have read that if I looked hard enough. Thanks for the help

Chris Ferrell

Captain, B777-200

Posted onPost created on February 01 2014 17:44 ET by Chris Ferrell

Bill, do you have any experience overclocking? I'm running a i7 3770k @ 4.2 GHz right now but I'm wondering if it would be an improvement to bump it up to 4.5 or 4.6 or if I should just leave it alone. I don't have any experience in overclocking but I've been reading and watching videos and I think I could get it, just wonder if its worth that little extra bit.

Chris Ferrell

Captain, B777-200

Posted onPost created on February 01 2014 19:02 ET by Bill Gardiner

I would say it is worth it. FSX (or FS9) is CPU bound so an improvement in processor speed usually correlates to an improvement in FPS and smoothness. And for some reason the increase to 4.5 or 4.6 seems to be the sweet spot. Your system needs to be balanced though but Kosta's site is pretty good about explaining that. As you know, just watch your temps closely when you're experimenting and small steps are good steps.

Bill Gardiner

Senior Captain, B747-400

DVA3196
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Posted onPost created on February 01 2014 21:04 ET by Michael Brown

Another 100MHz isn't going to give you any significant performance.

I'm running almost the exact same specs as you (except I have 16GB RAM) and my FPS are closer to 30fps. I don't overclock, ever. I don't use this "Drzeweicki Design's New York City scenery" that you speak of either. Looking at the screenshots alone lead me to believe that the scenery is too intense for what FSX can handle.

Understand that FSX was designed to make money, sell in quantity, and not necessarily be optimized for the veteran flight simmer. Even people with $5000 computers have to mess around with their settings, scenery, addons, etc. to get it to run just right.

Michael Brown (DVA3196)

Posted onPost created on February 01 2014 23:28 ET by Chris Ferrell

Yeah, I think I should have went with my hunch that this scenery would be a nightmare as far as FPS goes. I think it was a mistake to try it but what are you gonna do? I appreciate the input from both of you guys. Do you think the memory is making a difference as to why you're getting 30 FPS and I'm averaging around 20?

Chris Ferrell

Captain, B777-200

DVA9545
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Posted onPost created on February 02 2014 14:08 ET by Thiago Braga

Chris,
I do have some sceneries of the Drzeweicki Design's and I know what you mean. What happen is that Drzeweicki Design's New York City is too heavy on a system and causes some COD (Crash on Desktop). I also have the FSdreamteam KJFk V2 and all the time I get a message of COD. I`m pretty sure has to do with Drzeweicki Design's that is too heavy on our system.
But keep searching for a fix, I`m sure you will find it.

Thiago Braga (DVA9545)

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Posted onPost created on February 07 2014 14:24 ET by James Mclees

Your OOM is most likely due to running out of VAS, not RAM. 8GB of RAM is plenty for FSX. FSX is a 32 bit program which is limited to 4gb of virtual address space on a 64 bit machine and 3gb on a 32 bit. Back off your sliders when you're using heavy add-ons and you should be fine. If you have the cooling and a good motherboard, try to get 4.5-4.6 out of that 3770 for a few more frames, but it will not address the OOM. Remember that everyone's systems specs, and FSX settings are different and a myriad of factors will ultimately determine FPS on your computer.

James Mclees

First Officer, B737-800

Posted onPost created on February 08 2014 12:33 ET by Chris Ferrell

I really want to thank everyone for the help and new understanding of this issue. I pretty much chocked that scenery up as a loss at this point but I'll always own it so if I ever get a wild hair, I can try some tricks later.

I did manage to squeeze 4.4GHz out of my 3770K as of right now but I don't think I truly have the cooling to get higher. I have a Cooler Master Seidon 240M and it's just not keeping it from throttling above 4.4. I do have another question for anyone who might be able to help so here goes it....

I am running Real Temp and Prime95 for stress tests and when I have the voltage stable (no throttling and no shutdowns) at 4.4, I bump the multiplier up to 4.5 and the heat don't go up that much but after about 4 minutes of stressing, it starts to throttle. My temps @4.4 with 1.240v stay at a max of 72C but @4.5 with the voltage slightly higher, they max around 77C and I'm not sure that should throttle at that point.

******Here's the kicker that I can't figure out. I did notice that the stable 4.4GHz overclock at idle shows anywhere between 28-31C but when I went into the BIOS to make adjustments while searching for 4.5, the motherboard was saying the core temp was about 12 degrees higher???? Which one's right and is that likely why its throttling?

Sorry for the long post but even though I've researched and read lots, I'm still NEW TO OVERCLOCKING so I look up to you more seasoned folks for help. THANKS VERY MUCH to those of you that have and will help me in the future.

Chris Ferrell

Captain, B777-200

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Posted onPost created on February 08 2014 13:13 ET by Gerry McGraw

I get the same error flying into LAX with the Dream Team airport, so it's not unique to yours.....in fact I got it yesterday flying from ZSPD to RJAA with free basic scenery. It seems to occur with the PMDG T7 only so far. I have i7 3770K 8 mb RAM and a 670 so my power specs aren't an issue

Gerry McGraw

Captain, B777-200

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Posted onPost created on February 08 2014 13:38 ET by Jason Boche

I've found that a combination of:

1) complex airports/scenery,
2) complex aircraft,
3) as well as a large number of nearby VATSIM aircraft cause the issue.

It's basically 3 major contributing elements. Choose 2 and you're usually fine but if you combine all 3 it's trouble.

Happened to me at Midway during last night's really busy event and I was in my trusty PMDG 737 which I almost never get OOM errors with. However, there was a ton of VATSIM traffic at Midway as well as my complex O'Hare airport nearby plus add to that complex Chicago addon scenery that I have. Too much.

It really is a shame with rigs having so much RAM these days that FSX can only stand to use about 3.5GB total.

Jason Boche

Assistant Chief Pilot, B757-200

DVA11180
Captain, A320

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Posted onPost created on February 08 2014 14:02 ET by Caleb Williams

Jason Boche wrote:

It really is a shame with rigs having so much RAM these days that FSX can only stand to use about 3.5GB total.

Too bad MS couldn't have released on SP3 to take advantage of multiple cores and 8+ gigs of RAM, or even put some more load on the GPU. Now we'll never know.

Caleb Williams

Captain, A320

Posted onPost created on February 08 2014 14:49 ET by Chris Ferrell

I must agree. I think what's more of a shame to me is that Microsoft abandoned the FSX gig altogether. I know that P3D is really supposed to be the same, but I can't get some of my stuff to work with P3D even using the migration tool. I think if Microsoft would have stayed with the program, improving as technology does, everyone with all these fancy rigs would be seeing incredible frame rates, endless possibilities with scenery/aircraft, etc. But, what are you gonna do? You just gotta keep tweaking and improving as you go.

Chris Ferrell

Captain, B777-200

Posted onPost created on February 08 2014 15:16 ET by Jason Boche

P3D may still have support but at the same time I don't see or I'm not aware of them taking it to the next level. It just seems like permanent "maintain" mode and from the screens I've seen P3D is pretty much the same as FSX. Some day some company will come forward & cause a major disruption to this market with a new sim. I hope to be around when that happens. It seems like a tough call to make as many of the "old guard" will stick with their major investment in FSX aircraft, scenery, etc. I hope there's still enough of a lure to bring a disruptor forward to resurrect this community which I perceive to be slowly dying.

Jason Boche

Assistant Chief Pilot, B757-200

DVA11180
Captain, A320

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Posted onPost created on February 08 2014 18:47 ET by Caleb Williams

Fortunately, PMDG, Aerosoft, Majestic and others continue to work on quality new A/C. Never been much of a scenery guy, but I'm sure there's some good new stuff out there too.

Caleb Williams

Captain, A320

Posted onPost created on February 09 2014 20:14 ET by James Mclees

When in doubt, I go with motherboard temps. Check out a website called overclockers.com, I go to it whenever I do a new build.

James Mclees

First Officer, B737-800

Posted onPost created on February 09 2014 20:26 ET by James Mclees

Keep in mind that there is core temp and cpu temp, they measure different parts of the chip. The cpu temp is where the integrated heat spreader is, this is the temp that may cause damage if overheated.

James Mclees

First Officer, B737-800

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