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Posted onPost created on March 11 2014 15:56 ET by David Smith

Okay guys. I finally got the cash to build my sim computer. I am using the Thermaltake Level 10 GT case, Thermaltake Smart Series 1200 watt auto switching P/S. The motherboard is a Asus Z87 Pro with a i7 Quad 4770k processor. I am using Corsair Vengeance 8gig (X2) DDR3 memory. I haven't decided on the video card yet and I am still flipping the coin on which solid state to use. I am using Windows 7 Professional 64 bit O/S. My sim software is FSX.

I will post pictures as I progress through the build and give you a complete walk around of everything that I use and why I choose what I did.

David Smith (DVA7484)

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Posted onPost created on March 11 2014 16:00 ET by Joe Cappelo

Sounds great to me! I would personally go with 16GB if you will be using other software than FSX, or any video/rendering/gaming, otherwise looks great! The GTX660, 760, 690 are all amazing cards.

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Posted onPost created on March 12 2014 10:32 ET by Kenneth Dickerson

I agree with Joe, with what you have, go for the 16 gigs of rams. Also, I just purchased the a Gigabyte 760 4g card. Three fans and a heatsink that keeps it really cool compared to the EVGA 660GTX I replaced.

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Posted onPost created on March 12 2014 11:59 ET by Thiago Braga

David,
If you like to see my new build, check it out: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/38zht (The price showing is not what I`ve paid). I paid way less. I was buying it little by little. Always looking for a better deals.
I also will be doing O/C trying to push at 4.8ghz on this beauty Intel i7 3770K.

Thiago Braga (DVA9545)

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Posted onPost created on March 12 2014 13:02 ET by Caleb Williams

Thiago Braga wrote:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/38zht

Def. jealous of the Graphics Card and SSDs. Nice. I bought the third-gen i5 just before the fourth gen came out, but since I run FSX with no real hiccups now, it's fine.

Caleb Williams

Captain, A320

Posted onPost created on March 12 2014 14:58 ET by Thiago Braga

Caleb,
It was a suggestion from all other PC Builder not to run the forth generation for FSX, the third generation less power consuming and more stability for O/C.
I run i5 in my other PC and works great.

Thiago Braga (DVA9545)

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Posted onPost created on March 12 2014 15:04 ET by Caleb Williams

Thiago Braga wrote:

... a suggestion from all other PC Builder not to run the forth generation for FSX, the third generation less power consuming and more stability for O/C...

I've never heard that. Well I guess you learn something new everyday.

Caleb Williams

Captain, A320

Posted onPost created on March 12 2014 15:09 ET by David Smith

16 gig is what I am putting in it. Notice the (X2) remark after the memory description. The M/B will handle 32 gig but why do it if it is not all accessible. As far as I know FSX will not do it nor will Win 7. As far as I can remember the memory will be paged into two 8 gig blocks. And neither is fully accessible. Of course I am pushing the low side of 60 in two more months and my memory isn't all that great so I could be wrong. I am waiting on UPS to deliver the final pieces (supposedly today) but we caught a lot of snow this morning. We, here in Michigan, are really tired of the white stuff.

David Smith (DVA7484)

Posted onPost created on March 12 2014 15:09 ET by Thiago Braga

Caleb, what type of intel i5 do you have?

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Posted onPost created on March 12 2014 22:00 ET by Robbie Johnson

Thiago Braga wrote:

Caleb,
It was a suggestion from all other PC Builder not to run the forth generation for FSX, the third generation less power consuming and more stability for O/C.
I run i5 in my other PC and works great.

That info is incorrect. Haswell is more power efficient than Ivy and while it is more time consuming to overclock and stress test Haswell, it's not any less stable when done properly.

David Smith wrote:

Okay guys. I finally got the cash to build my sim computer. I am using the Thermaltake Level 10 GT case, Thermaltake Smart Series 1200 watt auto switching P/S. The motherboard is a Asus Z87 Pro with a i7 Quad 4770k processor. I am using Corsair Vengeance 8gig (X2) DDR3 memory. I haven't decided on the video card yet and I am still flipping the coin on which solid state to use. I am using Windows 7 Professional 64 bit O/S. My sim software is FSX.

I will post pictures as I progress through the build and give you a complete walk around of everything that I use and why I choose what I did.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the build, but you went kinda overkill in a few areas.

You won't be using anywhere near 1200w for that build; less than half that actually.

Despite what many incorrectly say, there is no benefit to going with an i7 over an i5 for use in FSX or gaming. You simply will not use the extra threads unless you are using software that is designed to use them (usually production software).

You will never use 16GB of RAM for FSX or gaming. I typically recommend 8GB.

For the GPU I typically recommend the 760 for FSX builds. If you are also a gamer a case could be made for the 770, particularly if you run at a res greater than 1920x1080. For the SSD I'm pretty loyal to Samsung in my builds; never had a problem with one and they perform extremely well.

Robbie Johnson (DVA10131)

Posted onPost created on March 12 2014 22:25 ET by David Smith

Everything but the memory showed up. Maybe tomorrow.

David Smith (DVA7484)

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Posted onPost created on March 12 2014 23:18 ET by Caleb Williams

Thiago Braga wrote:

Caleb, what type of intel i5 do you have?

I have the i3570K @3.4 GHx, 8gb RAM (don't remember what kind, but bought at MicroCenter in late Dec. 2012) and EVGA 610 GT. It works great post of the time. The only time I have slow downs is with complex aircraft in the NYC area. I'm usually pretty stable in the AXE, but the majestic I was down to 9.5 to 18 fps in NYC taking off from LGA.

Caleb Williams

Captain, A320

Posted onPost created on March 14 2014 13:39 ET by David Smith

I fly the 767 Level_D most of the time. I also use the CDU II as my CDU unit. These are not the only CPU intensive packages that I have. I play with the PMDG 737 (still using the CDU II) and the CS 757, 767, and 777. The only two sceneries I bought was Incheon (Overland) and KDTW (Blueprint). My previous machine, a HP product, was always dyeing out in congested traffic. The power supply had to be replaced due to the graphic card demand. My previous cards (Radeon 6790 and NVIDIA GTX 460) had problems splitting the video between the CDU II and FSX. These cards both have 1 gig of memory on them. Keep in mind these were purchased back in 2010. My system will have more demands than just FSX. I use a i3 based platform (thrown together) as a communications server. This cuts down on the demands of ACARS and FSInn. This is why I am going overboard with this build. The computer I am building will eventually wind up in a flight simulator that I will build in my basement. That is if I ever quit building more rooms into this house that I bought in 2011. I have not flown in some time but when I get back I want a system that will handle all of the garbage that I throw at it. This is why I am still undecided on the Video card and the SSD. The newer cards today are much stronger with more memory on the card. I am quite sure that I am going to have to put duel vids in order to cover CDU II, Projection TV, Main and side monitors. Not to mention that I will be using FMC or Siemens type electromechanical cylinders to make the simulator box move. No such thing as overboard here. lol

David Smith (DVA7484)

Posted onPost created on March 14 2014 14:51 ET by Thiago Braga

Caleb,
There is this guys asking for the same thing your are asking here into this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1710629/3770k-4770k-flight-sim.html

Very interesting.

I hate when Robbie is right! razz

the performance you will get on the 4770K is about 5 to 15% greater than the 3770K. That`s nothing. Save money by getting the 3770K and get a better GPU.

Robbie, a question, I`m only depending for finish my build the memories. What should I get? Cosair Vengence Pro or other?

Thanks,

Thiago Braga (DVA9545)

Posted onPost created on March 14 2014 17:54 ET by Thiago Braga

Sorry Robbie,
I have purchase the memories and here is my build: (I did not paid that crazy price).

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/39Tip

Thiago Braga (DVA9545)

Posted onPost created on March 14 2014 19:48 ET by Robbie Johnson

Looks pretty good Thiago. As far as the Vengeance series goes I only really use it when aesthetics are an important factor for the build, otherwise it's just overpriced and doesn't perform any better than comparable memory kits.

I'm assuming you're gaming as well? That 780 is an excellent card but is WAY overkill for FSX.

I'm also curious about your storage choices; it seems odd to go with 2 SSDs with no HDD for mass storage. Nothing wrong with it of course, but just a little odd.

Other than that I personally prefer to put a bit more money into the case, especially with such high end internals. It's a bit like putting a Ferrari engine in a Yugo smile

None the less, looks great and good luck with the build!

Robbie Johnson (DVA10131)

Posted onPost created on March 14 2014 22:14 ET by David Smith

Here is the build minus the Video and SSD's.

DaveSmithsbuildingprojects.shutterfly.com/pictures#n_5

David Smith (DVA7484)

Posted onPost created on March 14 2014 22:18 ET by David Smith

https://davesmithsbuildingprojects.shutterfly.com/pictures#n_5

If the first URL doesn't work

David Smith (DVA7484)

Posted onPost created on March 14 2014 23:03 ET by Thiago Braga

Looks good David.
Robbie, I`m also a gamer for BF4. I could go with AMD, but NVidia was better for FSX. I though so much about the case, If does not work right, I`ll turn it back and ask for a Full tower.

Thiago Braga (DVA9545)

Posted onPost created on March 15 2014 03:32 ET by Robbie Johnson

David Smith wrote:

https://davesmithsbuildingprojects.shutterfly.com/pictures#n_5

If the first URL doesn't work

Looks great but one question... why 4 DVD drives?

Thiago Braga wrote:

Looks good David.
Robbie, I`m also a gamer for BF4. I could go with AMD, but NVidia was better for FSX. I though so much about the case, If does not work right, I`ll turn it back and ask for a Full tower.

Understandable. You will certainly be satisfied with that GPU then; I used one for a couple of weeks and it was amazing. For the case the one you picked out should work just fine, I just prefer the nicer ones (particularly when they have a nice big side panel window :). I wouldn't go with a full tower for that build though since a mid tower will have more than enough room; I typically only go with full towers for builds with custom watercooling loops.

Robbie Johnson (DVA10131)

Posted onPost created on March 15 2014 11:46 ET by David Smith

The why 4 DVD's is easy...... because I could.......naaaaa, I do recording work at my home. 2 of the drives are DVD and two are BD. People want their recordings in all types of media. When I am not flying (like now) I can use the machine to copy DVD's and BD's for their families. Some bands want demo discs so I can do that as well. I have a studio server based on this same machine. It uses all of the Hard Drive Drawers but only two DVD/BD drives. I have a library of hard drives that can be hot swapped out depending on the type of recording I am doing. Robbie hit the nail right on the head as far as my choice of cases. I fully intend on going to a large cooling system. The MB has a 3 position switch. Pos 1 is normal CPU ops. Pos 2 is bios controlled overclocking. Pos 3 is Over writable Bios overclocking. ASUS runs the processor at 3.5 ghz standard. With pos 2 it runs at 4.5 ghz but the bios will back the speed down if a temp issue arises. With pos 3 ASUS runs 4.6 to 4.8 with no back off despite temps. To run overclocked you must have a medium to large cooling solution. The nicest feature with this board, or at least why I bought it, is that it supports 2 Video cards fully. What ever I decide on, video wise, I will be buying two. Last issue was the SSD. I do believe I will go with Robbie's suggestion and pop 2 Samsung's in the drawers.

David Smith (DVA7484)

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Posted onPost created on March 15 2014 12:12 ET by Norm Hare

Robbie Johnson wrote:

Thiago Braga wrote:

Caleb,
It was a suggestion from all other PC Builder not to run the forth generation for FSX, the third generation less power consuming and more stability for O/C.
I run i5 in my other PC and works great.

That info is incorrect. Haswell is more power efficient than Ivy and while it is more time consuming to overclock and stress test Haswell, it's not any less stable when done properly.

David Smith wrote:

Okay guys. I finally got the cash to build my sim computer. I am using the Thermaltake Level 10 GT case, Thermaltake Smart Series 1200 watt auto switching P/S. The motherboard is a Asus Z87 Pro with a i7 Quad 4770k processor. I am using Corsair Vengeance 8gig (X2) DDR3 memory. I haven't decided on the video card yet and I am still flipping the coin on which solid state to use. I am using Windows 7 Professional 64 bit O/S. My sim software is FSX.

I will post pictures as I progress through the build and give you a complete walk around of everything that I use and why I choose what I did.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the build, but you went kinda overkill in a few areas.

You won't be using anywhere near 1200w for that build; less than half that actually.

Despite what many incorrectly say, there is no benefit to going with an i7 over an i5 for use in FSX or gaming. You simply will not use the extra threads unless you are using software that is designed to use them (usually production software).

You will never use 16GB of RAM for FSX or gaming. I typically recommend 8GB.

For the GPU I typically recommend the 760 for FSX builds. If you are also a gamer a case could be made for the 770, particularly if you run at a res greater than 1920x1080. For the SSD I'm pretty loyal to Samsung in my builds; never had a problem with one and they perform extremely well.

I have to disagree with the 8gb comment. There are many other processes that run other than FSX and 16gb certainly will not hurt his build. I'm sure he does/will do other things with that computer.

Norm Hare (DVA3419)

Posted onPost created on March 16 2014 09:12 ET by David Smith

Update: Burn in went great. Of course I had to battle through all of the Windows updates. Surprises? Bios reports 15.8 Gig memory available for use. Motherboard manufacturer software provided software that allows formatting of hard drives as large as 8 TB as one continuous partition. CPU heat sink was cold to the touch after 3 hours of operation. Windows Experience index was 6.7. I have never had a machine above 5.9. Drawbacks? Motherboard support software is not bootable. Had to fight between Windows unauthorized software warning and trying to get the motherboard support software installed. Had to use motherboard power on switch to start system. After support software was installed the case switch started working. All in all I am happy with this machine. Now to install FSX and all of my pay-ware.

David Smith (DVA7484)

Posted onPost created on March 16 2014 11:11 ET by Thiago Braga

Norm Hare Says:
I have to disagree with the 8gb comment. There are many other processes that run other than FSX and 16gb certainly will not hurt his build. I'm sure he does/will do other things with that computer.

Norm,
Of course nothing over in the hardware, doesn`t hurt. But I bet nothing will get closer to 8 GB. unless you have a bunch of software running at the same time, than it is time to get an upgrading. I will be trying for 8GB first. If I think I need more, then I`ll get another set of 8 GB. Like my case; I`ll be O/C the Memory.

Thiago Braga (DVA9545)

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