Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler - L-1049 Super Constellation Flights Added Across the Atlantic

Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | Airline Operations | L-1049 Super Constellation Flights Added Across the Atlantic

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Charlotte, NC

1,286 legs, 1,796.2 hours
840 legs, 1,047.8 hours online
1,268 legs, 1,774.2 hours ACARS
31 legs, 49.6 hours event
3 legs dispatched, 2.5 hours

Posted onPost created on February 05 2015 14:43 ET by Andrew Vane

Give these a try. They're long and meant to be in the Super Constellation L-1049 or long range piston prop aircraft. Thanks for Jim Daigneau for the historical Pan Am route across the Atlantic. The longest leg is 1721nm.

Schedule Database: PAH
Flight Numbers: 5300, 5301 (3 leg flight)
Route: KJFK - CYQX - EINN - EGLL

Who wants to be the first ???

Andrew Vane (DVA2887)

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Ypsilanti, MI

263 legs, 986.0 hours
247 legs, 950.1 hours online
257 legs, 960.8 hours ACARS
42 legs, 112.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on February 06 2015 03:22 ET by Kyle Bjorklund

Looks like I need to get up to speed with the B-377 and do a substitution!
Crossing the Atlantic should be an interesting challenge with no GPS (or at least simulated no GPS).

Kyle Bjorklund

Captain, DC-6

Posted onPost created on February 06 2015 12:31 ET by Andrew Vane

You got that right Kyle. Try it with no VOR's either.

Andrew Vane (DVA2887)

DVA10588
Captain, B737-800
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Joined on February 28 2012

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Santos, São Paulo Brazil

19 legs, 36.5 hours
19 legs, 36.5 hours online
19 legs, 36.5 hours ACARS
1 legs, 8.1 hours event

Posted onPost created on February 07 2015 09:36 ET by Fernando Coelho

Wow! Naviguessing? How these guys managed to navigate over these long ocean lines without any ground help?
I think not even inertial system existed.

Fernando Coelho

Captain, B737-800

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Hampton, GA USA

1,914 legs, 2,888.2 hours
5 legs, 3.8 hours online
1,907 legs, 2,878.2 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on February 07 2015 19:12 ET by Jim Daigneau

Remember guys, they had a full time NAV dude in the day, plus they made use of HFDF, LORAN and the Ocean stations. There is a simple Ocean Station scenery add-on available at calclassic sscenery page through AvSim that will add the Atlantic and Pacific stations. Here's the link:
http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=121267&Name=&FileName=&Author=&CatID=root&Cookie=1
I have not found a good HFDF or LORAN simulation for FS.

The addon is for FS9 but I have not noticed any operational problems in FSX, but there may be some visual scenery issues. There is some interesting discussion on the old forum from when Tom released the scenery:
http://www.calclassic.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=General;action=display;num=1169934092;start=0 (note: this is the old foruim which is closed. The new forum is here: http://calclassic.proboards.com/ )

You don't actually have add the scenery if you simply flight plan near the station coordinates. There was no NATS back then, everything was random track beacuse there wasn't that much traffic in the first place and the flight planning often used pressure pattern tracks to optimize tail wind/minimize headwind. You can just simulate having your Navigator by checking your LAT/LON every hour or so.

Tom included DMEs with the OSs, which would have been available in the later 50s. The LF/MF stations are strong with a good 100nm range. And Fernando, you are right, INS didn't become commercially available until the 60s.

I'm working on some flights with the approriate "operational stops" built into the flight number. You will then be able to choose the leg you want to fly based on your equipment and range. For example, JFK-LHR was non-stop in the DC-7C or Starliner, but probably would have required a stop in Gander or Shannon for a DC-6B, DC-7 or Strat. Likewise, coming back westbound might have required a stop in Gander for any of the propliners in the winter. In the Pacific, Honolulu-Guam stopped at Wake Island.

Andrew has been doing a fantastic job getting the historic flights into the schedule. So, happy flying guys--just be sure you do a little flight planning before you go.

Jim Daigneau (DVA5643)

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Geraardsbergen, Flanders Belgium

204 legs, 478.1 hours
203 legs, 476.0 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on February 12 2015 09:54 ET by Dirk Depelsemaeker

Great!
I can now CTP with a stage 2 aircraft, and a flight time I can fit within my day.

Thanks for this.

Dirk Depelsemaeker

Captain, B757-200

Posted onPost created on February 13 2015 09:33 ET by Fernando Coelho

Jim Daigneau wrote:

Tom included DMEs with the OSs, which would have been available in the later 50s. The LF/MF stations are strong with a good 100nm range. And Fernando, you are right, INS didn't become commercially available until the 60s.
I'm working on some flights with the approriate "operational stops" built into the flight number. You will then be able to choose the leg you want to fly based on your equipment and range. For example, JFK-LHR was non-stop in the DC-7C or Starliner, but probably would have required a stop in Gander or Shannon for a DC-6B, DC-7 or Strat. Likewise, coming back westbound might have required a stop in Gander for any of the propliners in the winter. In the Pacific, Honolulu-Guam stopped at Wake Island.
Andrew has been doing a fantastic job getting the historic flights into the schedule. So, happy flying guys--just be sure you do a little flight planning before you go.

Thanx for the class Jim.Really appreciated that!
Fernando

Fernando Coelho

Captain, B737-800

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