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Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | Airline Operations | An Odd Question

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2015 13:35 ET by Piper Forsen

So… I've got a bit of an odd question. Would I be able to, in a 738/739, fly to Europe IF (and only if) I made a stop for fuel in Reykjavik, Iceland? The max range of the 738 is well over the distance between Washington, DC to Reykjavik. It's also well over the distance between Reykjavik and most (if not all) of Europe. This type of flight is starting to be done (look up "WOW Air," it's pretty cool), so it's not entirely unrealistic. At least until I go back to FSX and get rated for an aircraft that can fly the normal route, can I just do one-stop flights to Europe in my 737? (I'm trying to keep a connected logbook)

Thanks,
Richmond

Piper Forsen

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2015 13:49 ET by Chad Rhinehart

If you fly the BBJ version it has additional fuel tanks and can make it with no problem.

Chad Rhinehart (DVA4241)

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2015 14:36 ET by Matthew Murray

Richmond Forsen wrote:

So… I've got a bit of an odd question. Would I be able to, in a 738/739, fly to Europe IF (and only if) I made a stop for fuel in Reykjavik, Iceland? The max range of the 738 is well over the distance between Washington, DC to Reykjavik. It's also well over the distance between Reykjavik and most (if not all) of Europe. This type of flight is starting to be done (look up "WOW Air," it's pretty cool), so it's not entirely unrealistic. At least until I go back to FSX and get rated for an aircraft that can fly the normal route, can I just do one-stop flights to Europe in my 737? (I'm trying to keep a connected logbook)

Thanks,
Richmond

You can always add fuel tanks to your 737-800 according to the Boeing BBJ spec, since ACARS has a few BBJ classifications. Then you wouldn't need a stop at all.

Matthew Murray (DVA12216)

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2015 14:37 ET by Marcello Tamburrino

Chad,

You can not make a planned fuel stop.

Choose a different 737 model with more range and or choose a city closer to Europe such as JFK or BOS to LHR. JFK/BOS to LHR is ~2800 miles which you should be able to do. Plus you should have a tail wind which will help.

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2015 14:41 ET by Jason Boche

Pilot's Manual

Page 19:
"Valid Flight Routes
It is important to understand that flights that do not exist in our database are not considered valid. If you find a flight on a real world codeshare website and it does not exist in our database, you cannot fly this flight. The reason it does not exist in our database is because it does not have a corresponding Delta flight number."

Page 21:
"In-Flight Emergencies
If you have an in-flight emergency, you can land at the nearest airport in the database that can accommodate your aircraft. If a pilot has to divert, they should hold off on submitting a flight report and inform the VP of Operations for approval prior to continuing to the original filed destination. The VP of Operations will consider each request to continue on. Pilots should not continue their flight to the original filed destination until receiving approval. A diversion request may not be considered if the pilot has failed to flyat least 50% of the original filed route."

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2015 14:52 ET by Piper Forsen

I've done a bit of research, and it looks like the -800 would be able to make a flight from DC-New York, then another one from New York to Heathrow, then finally one from Heathrow to Paris. I'm kind of bummed that you can't make a planned fuel stop, but thanks for telling me. I won't waste my time on an invalid flight thanks to you all.

Thanks,
Richmond

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2015 16:01 ET by Dirk Depelsemaeker

I recently flew DL470, KJFK to BIKF (Keflavik, Iceland).
I flew the B737-800, with 42,000lbs ramp fuel. I used some 33,000lbs.

Or you can fly the 3 legs of PAH5300, KJFK-CYQX-EINN-EGLL.

Dirk Depelsemaeker

Captain, B757-200

Posted onPost created on July 16 2015 16:06 ET by Piper Forsen

Dirk Depelsemaeker wrote:

I recently flew DL470, KJFK to BIKF (Keflavik, Iceland).
I flew the B737-800, with 42,000lbs ramp fuel. I used some 33,000lbs.

Or you can fly the 3 legs of PAH5300, KJFK-CYQX-EINN-EGLL.

I didn't think we had service to Iceland. Maybe I just looked at Dulles (That's where I'm based both at DVA and in real life). Also, do you know if Icelandair has any affiliation with Delta in real life? That would be a great airline to add to the DVA list if they do. Thanks. I'll look at flights from JFK to Reykjavik and Keflavik now. smile

Piper Forsen

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2015 22:42 ET by Jim Daigneau

Iceland service is seasonal out of JFK. And besides, would you really want to be couped up in that little cockpit for 7 or 8 hours? Ehh!!!...leg cramp!

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Posted onPost created on July 16 2015 23:02 ET by Andrew Vane

There are no fuel stops. They are flights (origin to destination).

The B738 range is 3060nm, the B739 range is 3200nm. The longest B738 flight currently in our database is GLO 7710 leg 1 SBGL to MDSD 3365sm (2924 nm).

Richard you can also request an occasional charter if there is a flight you'd like to take not in our database.

Good questions, not odd in any way. smile

Posted onPost created on July 18 2015 12:03 ET by Dirk Depelsemaeker

Jim Daigneau wrote:

Iceland service is seasonal out of JFK.

Is that also the case for historical flights like PAH9417-2?

Dirk Depelsemaeker

Captain, B757-200

Posted onPost created on July 18 2015 13:18 ET by Jim Daigneau

Dirk, you can fly historic flights anytime, and as noted above and in the Pilot's Manual, in any aircraft in which you are rated and that can make the flight with legal reserves. While the RW airlines like PAA made provisions for FLAG and TECHNICAL stops, the DVH/PAH/ schedule has incorporated that concept as separate legs. This is where your flight planning skills are required.
An example: you want to fly from EGLL to KJFK. If you use real weather, particularly in the winter, you may not be able to make it in your chosen aircraft, even though no-wind range is adequate for the flight. This would drive a "technical stop" somewhere in between at Gander or Keflavik or even Lajes if you wanted to stay south for weather. So there are several ways to skin the cat.

Jim Daigneau (DVA5643)

Posted onPost created on July 18 2015 20:19 ET by Dirk Depelsemaeker

OK, thanks for clearing that up.

Dirk Depelsemaeker

Captain, B757-200

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