Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler - Win7,8,10 update breaks FS9.

Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | PC Support | Win7,8,10 update breaks FS9.

DVA11755
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Geraardsbergen, Flanders Belgium

204 legs, 478.1 hours
203 legs, 476.0 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on September 19 2015 16:40 ET by Dirk Depelsemaeker

It's from more than a week ago, but I haven't seen anything here yet.

For people still flying FS9, on Win7 or higher.

http://myonlinesecurity.co.uk/september-2015-windows-updates-kb3086255-breaks-many-games/
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?293174-This-is-a-warning-to-all-fs2004-users-who-run-this-program-on-microsoft-windows-7!!!!

KB3086255 disables SafeDisc/Securom copy protection (they seem to have security issues and aren't allowed to run on Win10 and also Win8 & Win7). Which means FS9 and games using these copy protections won't run anymore.
Ironically, installs using "no CD stuff" are not affected.

A workaround here:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3086255

Way to go M$.

Dirk Depelsemaeker

Captain, B757-200

DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
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Marietta, GA

2,306 legs, 9,290.0 hours
240 legs, 553.9 hours online
1,964 legs, 8,083.1 hours ACARS
75 legs, 196.3 hours event
2,342 legs, 9,424.9 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 66.4 hours

Posted onPost created on September 19 2015 17:53 ET by Luke Kolin

Dirk Depelsemaeker wrote:

Ironically, installs using "no CD stuff" are not affected.

DRM does not benefit honest, paying customers. The NoCD patch is the first thing I put into a clean FS9 install, followed by the LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE flag on the executable.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

DVA4176
Senior Captain, L-1011-100
OLP

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"In the cold Kentucky rain"
Horn Lake, MS USA

7,084 legs, 11,498.8 hours
4,673 legs, 6,709.8 hours online
5,630 legs, 8,974.5 hours ACARS
371 legs, 587.0 hours event

Posted onPost created on September 19 2015 22:16 ET by Scott D Williams

The work around does not work. SEC DRV START is not recognized. I re-stored to 9-5-15 so I can fly and I am still messing around with trying for a fix.

Scott D Williams

Senior Captain, L-1011-100

Posted onPost created on September 21 2015 16:09 ET by Dirk Depelsemaeker

Hey Scott,

I suggest you take Luke's advice...
Or don't install KB3086255. But that means turning off auto updates.
If you set updates to notify, you can hide KB3086255, and still install other updates you may want.

This "security risk" was supposedly know for several years. Now all of a sudden it needs to be fixed.
Well not fixed, that would mean updating their secdrv.sys and that would cost M$ several $. So they just block the driver.
And who still plays 10-15yr old games anyway... (cynical smiley)

Dirk Depelsemaeker

Captain, B757-200

Posted onPost created on September 21 2015 21:23 ET by Scott D Williams

I un-install 3086255 when I want to fly. I let my machine re-install at shutdown at the end of my flying day. Next I will no CD patch when I get time amidst all my other garbage I need to do. I am going to fly FS9 til the cows come home. I see a few of the larger cows coming home now just over the hill by golly.

Scott D Williams

Senior Captain, L-1011-100

DVA10236
Captain, B747-400

Joined on October 02 2011
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LaGrange, GA

107 legs, 433.3 hours
51 legs, 144.5 hours online
105 legs, 429.8 hours ACARS
3 legs, 3.9 hours event

Posted onPost created on September 23 2015 16:58 ET by Jacob Buchanan

The only additions I've done to make FS9 run here for me is exactly what Luke Kolin did. I also have it out of Program files and into a folder discretely named MSFS.

You should also have windows defender and UAC (User Account Control) off, as it cures many bugs with both addons and FS9.

Jacob Buchanan (DVA10236)

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Wichita, KS

471 legs, 884.0 hours
220 legs, 398.1 hours online
459 legs, 859.5 hours ACARS
2 legs, 5.2 hours event

Posted onPost created on September 27 2015 09:29 ET by Jon Michael Prenovost

Luke, what is the LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE flag? What does it do & what does it do to FS9 in particular?

Jon Michael Prenovost (DVA4788)

Posted onPost created on September 27 2015 11:05 ET by Jacob Buchanan

Jon Michael Prenovost wrote:

Luke, what is the LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE flag? What does it do & what does it do to FS9 in particular?

Jon I can tell you that it increases the amount of VAS you can use. Rather than 2 GB for x32bit OS (operating systems) it will increase it to 3 GB, and 4 for x64 OS.

If you're running Vista, Windows 7, 8/8.1 or 10 on a x32 bit system, you should do this. The main reason is it stops OOM (Out Of Memory) from occuring. An OOM is essentially your computer running out of VAS (Virtual Address Space) or the memory allowed for a specific running program. You may have 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, or even 16 gigs of RAM, but only 3-4 is used on programs like FS9, FSX, P3d. Once you've used all the memory then boom, your simulator will tell you you've run out of VAS and it will now close. There's nothing you can do at this point, not even save it an restart.

If you're having this issue with OOM's, do it. It primarily occurs on heavy files like UK2000 scenery with the use of high end payware aircraft. Although there are tons of other possibilities to run out of VAS, it's not just limited to those situations. I don't know everything about it, but that's what I learned from it when I had the issue with my iFly 747V2, it absolutely drained my VAS.

Jacob Buchanan (DVA10236)

Posted onPost created on September 27 2015 11:10 ET by Luke Kolin

Jacob nailed it. FWIW FSX since SP1 already has this flag set, so no need to do anything in the FSX/P3D worlds.

I don't think it's ever made a difference for me (FS9 doesn't consume too much memory in my configuration), but it's a 30 second fix and might save a flight or two.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on September 27 2015 11:11 ET by Jacob Buchanan

I'd still do it because then you should never have to run into that mess. I've only had it happen once and that was a flight from EGLL to OMDB in the iFLy 747V2. Ran out of memory somewhere over the Arabian peninsula.

Jacob Buchanan (DVA10236)

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Middle East

1,517 legs, 3,069.9 hours
1,375 legs, 2,801.4 hours online
1,429 legs, 2,926.0 hours ACARS
354 legs, 912.5 hours event

Posted onPost created on October 07 2015 01:22 ET by Aaron Dagan

Hi, All,
With all due respect to M$, I disabled "Auto Updates" on my WIN7/64 Ultimate long long ago, when I took it as a friendly advice from a PC professional guru.
That saved me lot of commotion and searching for useless solutions (even through M$ database & support) to unfamiliar and annoying situations while I am in flight or else.
Those so called "UPDATES" are in most cases undercover ways of searching your PC, so just avoid and disable that function. In the worst case you can always enable it again.

Aaron Dagan

Captain, A330-300

DVA11021
Captain, B757-200
OLP

Joined on September 13 2012
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Milford, NH

375 legs, 620.5 hours
365 legs, 604.5 hours online
374 legs, 618.9 hours ACARS
21 legs, 51.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on October 07 2015 08:18 ET by Sean Zarella

Aaron Dagan wrote:

Hi, All,
With all due respect to M$, I disabled "Auto Updates" on my WIN7/64 Ultimate long long ago, when I took it as a friendly advice from a PC professional guru.
That saved me lot of commotion and searching for useless solutions (even through M$ database & support) to unfamiliar and annoying situations while I am in flight or else.
Those so called "UPDATES" are in most cases undercover ways of searching your PC, so just avoid and disable that function. In the worst case you can always enable it again.

DVA9843
Captain, B737-800

Joined on May 22 2011
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Mercier, QC Canada

19 legs, 23.9 hours
14 legs, 16.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 17 2017 14:08 ET by Eric Laferriere

FSX, no problem since.! even on W10...

Eric Laferriere

Captain, B737-800

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