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Darren Tung wrote:

Let me ask you a question: What is your desired price range?

Sean Zarella wrote:

Ok so i may be able to help you, I was basically in the same boat but forced to upgrade when i spilled a drink into my pc..



anyways, I had a AMD 8120 4.2 ghz 16ghz ddr3 1600 ram, and HD7970 2gb card,

No matter what I did with my processor it was the bottleneck of my system giving me ok performance but also running 5 monitors between eyefinity and dualhead2go.


I was also like you who always wanted to go AMD for the cost, but the Cost differential was the limiting factor that i didnt see untill I went with Intel.

I had an option to go with the 8350 FX 8 Core 4.0 ghz with room for overclocking. priced at the time around 200$usd. now ~100 USD,

or I also had the option of going with the Intel 4790k 4.0 ghz 4 core with Hyperthreading giving it 8 streams.. more on this later,
and pairing it with the asus Z97a board, with great bios utility.

the intel 4790k was around 300$ with the board around 100$ vs 200$ for the new 8350 FX chip.



Now remember my circumstance may be difference from you for i am also driving 3 x 1080p displays 23" @ 5818 x 1600 for the outside view and 2 lower 1080p displays running 3840x1080 for my 2 custom MIP panels
which requires a lot of PC power and Not to mention FS9 not using multicore processors, and no GPU blending usage for graphics,

I was running the CS757 which is cpu intensive, with custom expanded size displays, with muti monitor spanning as fsx fs9 degraded frames when spanned, and with this setup i was getting 20-30 fps on the ground, and 30-45 in the air depending on the cloud saturation,

After the accident and forced to upgrade, I went with the 4790k and overclocked it to 4.7 GHZ using 1.3v core and 47x multiplier in the simple to use BIOS and just disabled quiet mode and throttling, Also using My previous H100i CLC cooler with noctua fans,
and impressive to see the increase of voltage on the core but the h100i keeps the cpu core @ 30c on idle and 53C max with AIDa64

My GPU was also damaged so I went with the ASUS STRIX R9 390 8GB VS GTX 970 for eyefinity reasons, but also trading blows between the 2 both seem solid choice just pick team red or green.





So the results came, . I booted up FS9 in the CS757 simpit, and loaded my cold and dark parked @ KBOS flytampa Gate A16 and i always have my FPS counter in the top left corner, and usually was between 22-28 fps parked and 25 fps when i turned the plane on turning on the
CPU intense Panels.


I turned on the sim and looked up and saw 60 fps ! turned on the displays and 60 FPS ! as i backed away from the gate, my map moved with such fluid motion and the Vor pointers swung around so fast ! ! and when my VOR pointers when tuned moved so precise

It was a game changer, Everything I throw at this system eats it with no problem,


Also i prevously tried to play FSX SE on my old AMD system, just DEFAULT FSX SE at flytampa KBOS, using a default 737-800 with no PANEL. just outside view, and with just the spanning outside view was getting 15 fps taxing around,

With my new Setup build, Same thing taxing around KBOS 180 FPS! ! ! ! ! ! !


all has to due to the INtel Hyperthreading and CPU with 4 physical cores and 4 logical cores, which allows more throughput of data than AMD.


So In closing, if your running a single Display with FS9, you should have no problem getting near 45 fps with a 8350FX but you will need to upgrade that GPU.

You could stay with AMD and get OK benefits that will throttle, but My choice to go to team Intel solidified my decision and As the saying says By once Cry Once,


dont forget that stock settings On fs9.cfg arent that great, and s a good idea to modify your .CFG file for better performance and better quality

check out http://www.flightsimworld.com/forums/topic/28865-fs9-tips-and-tricks/



is also a good idea to go into the BIOS and disable any TurBo function and thermal control limits in the CPU and manually change the core clock for overclocking manually and make sure you have a good cooler to keep the temps down.



All in all as others have stated all comes down to budget, with my Intel 4790k Z97a Board and Strix R9 390 8gb card was around 700 USD $ I look at it as an investment for this will last me many years
and not just for flight sim, Running triple monitor eyefinity with AAA games on max settings getting over 60 fps. and getting a 8GB card future proof

Sean Zarella wrote:

Ok ! so you can get the i7 4790k for 319$ from amazon here http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80646I74790K-i7-4790K-Processor-Cache/dp/B00KPRWAX8/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1452387335&sr=1-1&keywords=4790k

and Asus Z97a for 164$ here http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TXBP1NS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

and this will bring you to 483$ and if you are a prime member you can get 2 day shipping free ! well under your budget!

I would also recommend a nice water cooling solution, and wondering what cooling you are using now? I had the Noctua NHd15 and it was perfect but rather large but kept things cool

I then went for the Corsair H100i and keeps my overclocked 4.7 Ghz 1.3 volts @ 30 c at idle and ~51c max temps using aida64

the h100i is on amazon for 104$ here http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Performance-Liquid-Cooler-CW-9060021-WW/dp/B00SV7IEJI/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1452387570&sr=1-1&keywords=h100i

and would then put you for a total of 587$ ! well under your budget still !

If you need any help please dont hesitate to ask !

edit also i was hesitating on going from AMD to INTEL due to windows boot errors , when i first booted up my machine after the hardware replacement WENT RIGHT TO THE DESKTOP AT RECORD SPEEDS! ! ! the ssd helps too !

and all I had to do was activate windows once online. !!! No format needed!

Sean Zarella wrote:

Hmm 43 idle? COuld be a contact between the block and the cpu, I HIGHLY recommend Artic Silver 5 thermal Paste and yes what Case do you have?

I have the Fractal R5 window case and since the H100I block is shallow and i have the radiator mounted to the top of my case with the 2 fans mounted on top pulling air through the radiator and out teh top of my case,

these are my temps. the interior of the case with its fans keep the temps inside only a few degrees higher than ambient,

Caleb Gordon wrote:


So I downloaded that CPUID program and it tells a different tale idling at 34 degrees. Havent tried to put load on it but nevertheless I got this combo on newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2461290

Later on I'll get a new video card.

Sean Zarella wrote:

@ Caleb,

Did you get your components in and tested?

Caleb Gordon wrote:

Sean Zarella wrote:

@ Caleb,

Did you get your components in and tested?

I got the components yesterday. Just as I was about to replace the motherboard I realized I didn't have the back plate for the 1150 slot type for the i7.... You know, since I was using AMD. It's been so long I had the nhd15 I couldn't remember where I had the box and I've moved a couple times to most likely I threw it away. So I had to order the back plate from Amazon. Won't get here till Monday. So now my computer is dismantled and I got to settle for my iPad throughout the weekend. Oh I did order the Arctic 5 silver with the order.

Sean Zarella wrote:

Caleb Gordon wrote:

Sean Zarella wrote:

@ Caleb,

Did you get your components in and tested?

I got the components yesterday. Just as I was about to replace the motherboard I realized I didn't have the back plate for the 1150 slot type for the i7.... You know, since I was using AMD. It's been so long I had the nhd15 I couldn't remember where I had the box and I've moved a couple times to most likely I threw it away. So I had to order the back plate from Amazon. Won't get here till Monday. So now my computer is dismantled and I got to settle for my iPad throughout the weekend. Oh I did order the Arctic 5 silver with the order.

ha that happened to me, Got my I7 and forgot the h100i brackets left in the box somewhere, but luckily found the standoffs and bracket, saved me from ordering a new H100i


Ok so back to talking about the difference between the H100i CLC cooler and the NHd15

I was getting similar Temps @ idle between the 2, the difference was max temps were 60c for the NHd15 and 54C for the H100i

I mostly did it for Aesthetics but with the fractal R5 case, using the Low profile water cooler plate, allows for an excellent air flow in the case, reducing the inside temps dramatically as you can see on my pic previous, I maintain a 2 degree difference of internal case temps
compared to the ambient temp in the room.

Sean Zarella wrote:

that is just FANTASTIC ! ! ! ! ! ! When your ready to OC let me know its EASY! and your temps look good! ! my MAX temps are lower in my H100i @ 4.7 GHZ on the 4790k than the 8120 @ 4.2 ghz with the NHd15

Just to keep that in mind.

SO glad you got your pc working again and better than ever ! isnt it great !?!?

Congrats Again! ! !