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Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | Airline Operations | Restricted airspace.
DVA6264
Captain, B767-300

Joined on August 11 2008
DVA Five-Year Anniversary

Western Europe

95 legs, 594.4 hours
4 legs, 16.7 hours online
93 legs, 586.7 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on April 11 2017 03:23 ET by Mark Harper
Can someone explain please?

I received this notification in my PIREP on a flight from ATL-SLC, SYSTEM: Entered restricted airspace R-6412A.

I flew the days RW route.

Cheers.

Mark.

Mark Harper

Captain, B767-300
DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP

Joined on June 10 2001
Event Half Century Club
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Everett 1500 Club
Bi-Millennium Club
Four Million Mile Club

"Col. Panic"
Marietta, GA

2,306 legs, 9,290.0 hours
240 legs, 553.9 hours online
1,964 legs, 8,083.1 hours ACARS
75 legs, 196.3 hours event
2,342 legs, 9,424.9 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 66.4 hours
 Posted onPost created on April 11 2017 14:45 ET by Luke Kolin
Look on a chart - you will see why the alert got triggered (incorrectly). wink

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11
DVA6264
Captain, B767-300

Joined on August 11 2008
DVA Five-Year Anniversary

Western Europe

95 legs, 594.4 hours
4 legs, 16.7 hours online
93 legs, 586.7 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on April 11 2017 14:54 ET by Mark Harper
Luke Kolin wrote:

Look on a chart - you will see why the alert got triggered (incorrectly). wink

Cheers!


I've had another one flying the 'real' route, SLC-HNL and assumed it was incorrect as why would they fly that route if that was the case?

I actually looked it up online.

Cheers.

Mark.

Mark Harper

Captain, B767-300
DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP

Joined on June 10 2001
Event Half Century Club
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Everett 1500 Club
Bi-Millennium Club
Four Million Mile Club

"Col. Panic"
Marietta, GA

2,306 legs, 9,290.0 hours
240 legs, 553.9 hours online
1,964 legs, 8,083.1 hours ACARS
75 legs, 196.3 hours event
2,342 legs, 9,424.9 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 66.4 hours
 Posted onPost created on April 11 2017 15:30 ET by Luke Kolin
It's incorrectly, but not entirely. Given the timing and comparing to the chart, it looks like you overflow the restricted airspace, but did not enter it. There was a bug in the airspace calculations that got fixed earlier today, but after your flight was submitted.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11
DVA6264
Captain, B767-300

Joined on August 11 2008
DVA Five-Year Anniversary

Western Europe

95 legs, 594.4 hours
4 legs, 16.7 hours online
93 legs, 586.7 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on April 11 2017 15:34 ET by Mark Harper
Luke Kolin wrote:

It's incorrectly, but not entirely. Given the timing and comparing to the chart, it looks like you overflow the restricted airspace, but did not enter it. There was a bug in the airspace calculations that got fixed earlier today, but after your flight was submitted.

Cheers!


I see so there's an altitude level restriction but not a total restriction then?

Mark.

Mark Harper

Captain, B767-300
DVA12946
First Officer, CRJ-200
OLP

Joined on April 10 2016
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Moncks Corner, SC

166 legs, 397.7 hours
10 legs, 18.7 hours online
165 legs, 396.4 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on April 11 2017 15:39 ET by Matthew Frazier
I had to look up the RW NOTAM for R-5206 that I entered this morning. There are altitude restrictions and i think if you fly above those restrictions you are good.

Matthew Frazier

First Officer, CRJ-200
DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP

Joined on June 10 2001
Event Half Century Club
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Everett 1500 Club
Bi-Millennium Club
Four Million Mile Club

"Col. Panic"
Marietta, GA

2,306 legs, 9,290.0 hours
240 legs, 553.9 hours online
1,964 legs, 8,083.1 hours ACARS
75 legs, 196.3 hours event
2,342 legs, 9,424.9 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 66.4 hours
 Posted onPost created on April 11 2017 15:52 ET by Luke Kolin
Yes... all of these airspaces have a minimum and maximum altitude (although the minimum may be zero). When I'm checking I do the altitude check first since most flights are above the max altitudes and it's much quicker than doing the lat/long check.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11
DVA6264
Captain, B767-300

Joined on August 11 2008
DVA Five-Year Anniversary

Western Europe

95 legs, 594.4 hours
4 legs, 16.7 hours online
93 legs, 586.7 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on April 11 2017 15:54 ET by Mark Harper
Luke Kolin wrote:

Yes... all of these airspaces have a minimum and maximum altitude (although the minimum may be zero). When I'm checking I do the altitude check first since most flights are above the max altitudes and it's much quicker than doing the lat/long check.

Cheers!


Where can I get that info to check please, Luke. I only use SID/STAR charts on FA as they're correctly up to date for US flights.

Thanks.

Mark.

Mark Harper

Captain, B767-300
DVA6264
Captain, B767-300

Joined on August 11 2008
DVA Five-Year Anniversary

Western Europe

95 legs, 594.4 hours
4 legs, 16.7 hours online
93 legs, 586.7 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on April 11 2017 15:56 ET by Mark Harper
Matthew Frazier wrote:

I had to look up the RW NOTAM for R-5206 that I entered this morning. There are altitude restrictions and i think if you fly above those restrictions you are good.


Matthew, thanks I'm seeing that now lol. I did sort of think it was wrong as DAL are hardly likely to be filing plans that send them through restricted airspace.

Mark.

Mark Harper

Captain, B767-300
DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP

Joined on June 10 2001
Event Half Century Club
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Everett 1500 Club
Bi-Millennium Club
Four Million Mile Club

"Col. Panic"
Marietta, GA

2,306 legs, 9,290.0 hours
240 legs, 553.9 hours online
1,964 legs, 8,083.1 hours ACARS
75 legs, 196.3 hours event
2,342 legs, 9,424.9 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 66.4 hours
 Posted onPost created on April 11 2017 16:00 ET by Luke Kolin
Mark Harper wrote:

Where can I get that info to check please, Luke. I only use SID/STAR charts on FA as they're correctly up to date for US flights.


I'd start with SkyVector; that's what I use to cross-check.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11
DVA6264
Captain, B767-300

Joined on August 11 2008
DVA Five-Year Anniversary

Western Europe

95 legs, 594.4 hours
4 legs, 16.7 hours online
93 legs, 586.7 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on April 11 2017 16:37 ET by Mark Harper
Luke Kolin wrote:

Mark Harper wrote:

Where can I get that info to check please, Luke. I only use SID/STAR charts on FA as they're correctly up to date for US flights.


I'd start with SkyVector; that's what I use to cross-check.

Cheers!


SV looks really good, I just can't see how you get the restrictions to show on the plan lol???

Mark.

Mark Harper

Captain, B767-300
DVA6264
Captain, B767-300

Joined on August 11 2008
DVA Five-Year Anniversary

Western Europe

95 legs, 594.4 hours
4 legs, 16.7 hours online
93 legs, 586.7 hours ACARS
 Posted onPost created on April 11 2017 17:09 ET by Mark Harper
Oh, I think I do, once you've entered your plan is it just a case of clicking on World Hi to see if there are any restrictions along the way?

Cheers.

Mark.

Mark Harper

Captain, B767-300

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