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Airspace Boundaries - Not a criteria for holding or rejecting a DVA flight |
DVA2887
Senior Captain, A320
OLP, 737-ATP, VFRADV
E-MAIL
Joined on January 30 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Tri-Jet Triumph
US Coastal Club
Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
US Mountaineer Club
Toulouse 250 Club
Online Eight Century
Charlotte, NC
1,283 legs, 1,792.7 hours
837 legs,
1,044.3 hours online
1,265 legs,
1,770.7 hours ACARS
31 legs,
49.6 hours event
3 legs dispatched, 2.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
April 11 2017 14:31 ET by Andrew Vane
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As many of your are learning, Luke has added a feature to ACARS to display and log airspace boundaries that are crossed. This just a reminder to staff and pilots that airspace boundary incursion or violation is not a criteria for holding or rejecting a flight. We may utilize this in the future in the flight academy but for now, it is merely a flag (like overweight or runway length flags) that is merely a guideline to help the pilot with his flying or navigation skills.
As outlined in the Pilot Manual, the 2 criteria to receive approval for a flight are 1) Flight must be in our schedule 2) pilot must fly in an aircraft he is rated in to receive approval 3) pilot must complete the flight with adequate fuel reserves and without crashing from gate to gate. There are always extreme exceptions (i.e. a pilot flies 200 miles and walks away and the flight takes 8 hours to complete). AFVA has their own criteria for flight approval so AFVA pilots should consult their own staff for details.
If you have any questions, please feel free to email me or better yet, open a help desk issue.
Thanks (and much thanks to Luke for continuing to implement cool changes to our system)!
DVA Operations
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DVA2887
Senior Captain, A320
OLP, 737-ATP, VFRADV
E-MAIL
Joined on January 30 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Tri-Jet Triumph
US Coastal Club
Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
US Mountaineer Club
Toulouse 250 Club
Online Eight Century
Charlotte, NC
1,283 legs, 1,792.7 hours
837 legs,
1,044.3 hours online
1,265 legs,
1,770.7 hours ACARS
31 legs,
49.6 hours event
3 legs dispatched, 2.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
April 13 2017 09:13 ET by Andrew Vane
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I will add to this, if you look up a NOTAM on the day you fly and the restricted airspace is not "hot", merely note it in your comments. Soonho is working with dispatch to get to a place where the dispatcher can advise the pilot of hot airspaces before they take off. All the more reason to use dispatch for your flights! 
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DVA11591
Senior Captain, B757-200
OLP
Joined on July 02 2013
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Everett Millennium Club
DVA Fleet Master
Online Twenty Century
US Coastal Club
Events Double Century Club
Five Million Mile Club
US Mountaineer Club
B757 100 Club
Tri-Millennium Club
Tin Dispatcher
DVA Five-Year Anniversary
"Left foot dead foot, verified! Feather Left!"
Daytona Beach, FL
3,271 legs, 11,709.7 hours
2,885 legs,
10,250.1 hours online
3,142 legs,
11,149.0 hours ACARS
326 legs,
874.1 hours event
274 legs dispatched, 316.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
April 13 2017 12:06 ET by Soonho Lee
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Until something is set for the dispatchers, please use the Skyvector to lay out the route, and then see if it crosses any R airspace. And if you are to go through one or more Restricted airspace, then go to this website: https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app to see if that R airspace is active. If you do not see that airspace pop up in the website, then it's cold and you can fly through it. On the right top corner of the page, you will be able to see the Map layers, set it to see only Prohibited and Restricted Area, and IFR Low or High Sections, pertain to your flight altitude like such:
As you can see here:
The R 2910s and R-2907s is laid out, it's not active, so you can fly through that at this specified time but the R2903A and 2904A are active.
To know what altitude the Restricted area starts and tops at, please visit the Skyvector, go to the appropriate Section chart (in the image above, it belongs in the Jacksonville Section chart.  Look around in the outer shell of the chart and then you are to see the name of the P, R, A.. etc airspace, what altitude it goes up to, and when it will be active. For instance, this is where you find the information about the R2903A and R2904A
So in this case, the R2903A starts at the surface and up to FL229.9999999999999999999999999999999999 while the R-2904A starts from the surface to 1,799.999999999999999999999999999999999999999~~~~~ feet.
Thank you
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DVA5643
Senior Captain, DC-6
Joined on February 08 2008
Piston Prop Professional
50 State Club
US Coastal Club
Globetrotter
US Mountaineer Club
Flying Colonel
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Long Beach 500 Club
"I'd rather be lucky than good"
Hampton, GA USA
1,909 legs, 2,878.8 hours
5 legs,
3.8 hours online
1,902 legs,
2,868.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 14 2017 15:33 ET by Jim Daigneau
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Outstanding post Soonho. Excellent web resource. Your graphic was interesting as i have been flying a lot of Florida to ATL so I've gotten some great views of Pine Castle target (R-2910). Thanks for the great work!
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DVA11591
Senior Captain, B757-200
OLP
Joined on July 02 2013
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Everett Millennium Club
DVA Fleet Master
Online Twenty Century
US Coastal Club
Events Double Century Club
Five Million Mile Club
US Mountaineer Club
B757 100 Club
Tri-Millennium Club
Tin Dispatcher
DVA Five-Year Anniversary
"Left foot dead foot, verified! Feather Left!"
Daytona Beach, FL
3,271 legs, 11,709.7 hours
2,885 legs,
10,250.1 hours online
3,142 legs,
11,149.0 hours ACARS
326 legs,
874.1 hours event
274 legs dispatched, 316.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
April 15 2017 12:33 ET by Soonho Lee
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Jim Daigneau wrote:
Outstanding post Soonho. Excellent web resource. Your graphic was interesting as i have been flying a lot of Florida to ATL so I've gotten some great views of Pine Castle target (R-2910). Thanks for the great work!
It's the least I could do!
I got to fly through R2910 multiple times myself and saw this magnificent range looking facility.
Brings you back some memories eh? haha
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DVA11591
Senior Captain, B757-200
OLP
Joined on July 02 2013
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Everett Millennium Club
DVA Fleet Master
Online Twenty Century
US Coastal Club
Events Double Century Club
Five Million Mile Club
US Mountaineer Club
B757 100 Club
Tri-Millennium Club
Tin Dispatcher
DVA Five-Year Anniversary
"Left foot dead foot, verified! Feather Left!"
Daytona Beach, FL
3,271 legs, 11,709.7 hours
2,885 legs,
10,250.1 hours online
3,142 legs,
11,149.0 hours ACARS
326 legs,
874.1 hours event
274 legs dispatched, 316.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
April 15 2017 17:25 ET by Soonho Lee
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I've accidently erased the picture link, so here it goes again:
Until something is set for the dispatchers, please use the Skyvector to lay out the route, and then see if it crosses any R airspace. And if you are to go through one or more Restricted airspace, then go to this website: https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app to see if that R airspace is active. If you do not see that airspace pop up in the website, then it's cold and you can fly through it. On the right top corner of the page, you will be able to see the Map layers, set it to see only Prohibited and Restricted Area, and IFR Low or High Sections, pertain to your flight altitude like such:
As you can see here:
The R 2910s and R-2907s is laid out, it's not active, so you can fly through that at this specified time but the R2903A and 2904A are active.
To know what altitude the Restricted area starts and tops at, please visit the Skyvector, go to the appropriate Section chart (in the image above, it belongs in the Jacksonville Section chart. Look around in the outer shell of the chart and then you are to see the name of the P, R, A.. etc airspace, what altitude it goes up to, and when it will be active. For instance, this is where you find the information about the R2903A and R2904A
So in this case, the R2903A starts at the surface and up to FL229.9999999999999999999999999999999999 while the R-2904A starts from the surface to 1,799.999999999999999999999999999999999999999~~~~~ feet.
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DVA5643
Senior Captain, DC-6
Joined on February 08 2008
Piston Prop Professional
50 State Club
US Coastal Club
Globetrotter
US Mountaineer Club
Flying Colonel
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Long Beach 500 Club
"I'd rather be lucky than good"
Hampton, GA USA
1,909 legs, 2,878.8 hours
5 legs,
3.8 hours online
1,902 legs,
2,868.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 15 2017 21:06 ET by Jim Daigneau
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NICE!
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DVA1562
Senior Captain, DC-6
OLP
Joined on March 06 2004
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Everett 500 Club
DVA Fleet Master
US Mountaineer Club
US Coastal Club
Bi-Millennium Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Three Million Mile Club
"Semper Paratus"
Yellowstone National Park, WY
2,870 legs, 7,935.5 hours
81 legs,
119.2 hours online
2,653 legs,
7,047.7 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 15 2017 21:52 ET by Tim Knight
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Very good information. Thank you Soonho.
Tim KnightSenior Captain, DC-6
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DVA7171
Senior Captain, B757-200
Joined on March 14 2009
50 State Club
Event Half Century Club
Everett 250 Club
Online Quintuple Century Club
Seven Century Club
Black Pearl Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
"Walk away from all your landings..."
Sebring, FL
725 legs, 1,676.2 hours
573 legs,
1,401.2 hours online
716 legs,
1,660.6 hours ACARS
56 legs,
127.6 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 16 2017 01:00 ET by Sergio Lopez
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Very nice. We had a our FE over at ZMA post some traffic flow comparisons due to the Trump in West Palm Beach weekend airspace closures. The reduction of traffic is amazing.
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DVA9733
First Officer, B747-400
Joined on April 29 2011
Everett 250 Club
Online Six Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
Eight Century Club
"Northwest 238, contact departure.... G'day!"
Minnetonka, MN USA
816 legs, 2,270.3 hours
663 legs,
1,835.4 hours online
752 legs,
2,071.4 hours ACARS
8 legs,
15.2 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
April 19 2017 09:40 ET by Shane Vanhoven
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Flew through Trump's TFR couple weeks ago on the way into Ft. Lauderdale Executive airport.
https://flic.kr/p/TPcs7i
Shane VanhovenFirst Officer, B747-400
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DVA11591
Senior Captain, B757-200
OLP
Joined on July 02 2013
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Everett Millennium Club
DVA Fleet Master
Online Twenty Century
US Coastal Club
Events Double Century Club
Five Million Mile Club
US Mountaineer Club
B757 100 Club
Tri-Millennium Club
Tin Dispatcher
DVA Five-Year Anniversary
"Left foot dead foot, verified! Feather Left!"
Daytona Beach, FL
3,271 legs, 11,709.7 hours
2,885 legs,
10,250.1 hours online
3,142 legs,
11,149.0 hours ACARS
326 legs,
874.1 hours event
274 legs dispatched, 316.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
April 19 2017 11:49 ET by Soonho Lee
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Nice! I got to do the same, but I just touched a tip of the TFR.
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DVA5434
Captain, B767-300
Joined on January 14 2008
Black Pearl Club
Toulouse Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
Triple Century Club
Southeastern United States
319 legs, 1,299.2 hours
313 legs,
1,268.9 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
April 30 2017 15:27 ET by Chris Radev
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| After having ACARS bark at me with red text throughout my entire flight yesterday (hours after I passed through said space) I've gone an amended my flight plans to stay clear of those. Fortunately I only have to worry about florida.. trumps virtual hangar and the nasa facility. Pretty easy to avoid.
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