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Posted onPost created on June 05 2017 06:50 ET by Ivan Weiss

Hi all, I am currently on a GeForce 660 card. Also with a 4770k water cooled chip oc to 4.3 GHz. That is about as high as I can get it stable. And 16 gig good quality ram.

So I am fairly certain my bottleneck is my graphics card. I see the gtx 1080 but at 550 that is steep. Will it perform that much better than the 980ti which I see for about 260?

Which way to go?

Not buying just yet, just starting to put some money aside.

Thanks!

DVA2887
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Posted onPost created on June 05 2017 07:28 ET by Andrew Vane

I have a 2GB 760ti with a 4.4 Ghz cpu and 8GB of DDR4 Ram. I can run things very smoothly for FSX SE.

However, if you're running P3D, or xplane, others will have more valuable advice.

Andrew Vane (DVA2887)

Posted onPost created on June 05 2017 08:40 ET by Ivan Weiss

Thanks Andrew but yea long since moved on from FSX. I am on P3D V3 and just bought V4. I would highly encourage you to do the same. I never looked back and really enjoy it.

Just WISH WISH WISH they would address multi core cpu's but now that we have 64 bit maybe that is next.

DVA11021
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Posted onPost created on June 05 2017 08:54 ET by Sean Zarella

You want to make sure you have atleast 4 gig VRAM in your GPU.

Sean Zarella (DVA11021)

DVA12719
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145 legs, 252.0 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on June 05 2017 11:09 ET by Yisrael Wealcatch

I have an MSI Twin Frozr GTX 1060 6Gb. Fantastic card. It's overkill for flight simulation though.

Yisrael Wealcatch (DVA12719)

Posted onPost created on June 05 2017 11:19 ET by Sean Zarella

The only reason I bought my r9 390 8gb is for the 5x eyefinity displays at the price point.

At this time a GTX 1060 or 1070 is your best option for the price. with plenty of overhead for pp3d and their Vram requirements,

Sean Zarella (DVA11021)

Posted onPost created on June 05 2017 13:10 ET by Yisrael Wealcatch

Sean Zarella wrote:

At this time a GTX 1060 or 1070 is your best option for the price. with plenty of overhead for pp3d and their Vram requirements,

It definitely depends on your resolution and number of displays that you are running also.

Yisrael Wealcatch (DVA12719)

DVA043
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Posted onPost created on June 05 2017 14:21 ET by Luke Kolin

I've been delighted with my 1070 on P3Dv3 and v4. It's about $100 more than the 1060 and I figure the future-proofing is well worth it. It also has 8GB VRAM instead of (iirc) 6GB on the 1060. I'm only using around 2-3GB on P3D, but I expect that to increase over time.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

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Posted onPost created on June 06 2017 05:49 ET by Kalev Kadak

Found price-performance-energy consumption(noise) balance with 1050Ti card. Relatively cheap, 4GB memory and some models can be run on PCI power. Haven't tried P3D on it yet but FS9 runs on 150+ fps with all the bells and whistles. Processor is 7600K with 16GB DDR4 memory. Maybe this contributes more than video card itself.

Kalev Kadak

Senior Captain, A220-3(CSeries)

Posted onPost created on June 06 2017 08:20 ET by Yisrael Wealcatch

Kalev Kadak wrote:

Found price-performance-energy consumption(noise) balance with 1050Ti card. Relatively cheap, 4GB memory and some models can be run on PCI power. Haven't tried P3D on it yet but FS9 runs on 150+ fps with all the bells and whistles. Processor is 7600K with 16GB DDR4 memory. Maybe this contributes more than video card itself.

For the older sims, the graphics card does not do much work unless you have a high resolution display or multiple displays.

Yisrael Wealcatch (DVA12719)

DVA10856
Captain, B737-800

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Posted onPost created on June 06 2017 11:59 ET by Bob Getterz

I was running the 760 ti SC and just recently installed the 1060 and see a very marked improvement. Good price at BestBuy also.

Bob Getterz (DVA10856)

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Posted onPost created on June 06 2017 14:24 ET by Thiago Braga

GTX 1080TI evilgrin

(I have my GTX 980Ti and it does the job.

Thiago Braga (DVA9545)

Posted onPost created on June 11 2017 21:15 ET by Ivan Weiss

What types of fps are you seeing with the 1060? I have the 4770k OC to 4.3 ghz for comparison... In the air I am fine, on the ground I can see anywhere from 15-25 on average. But what really kills me is approaches into heavy clouds. That brings me to down to a screaching hault and video card is 100% on nvidia inspector

DVA12568
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695 legs, 1,825.3 hours ACARS
19 legs, 89.1 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 12 2017 19:03 ET by Christian Samuels

Thiago Braga wrote:

GTX 1080TI (I have my GTX 980Ti and it does the job.

Posted onPost created on June 12 2017 20:52 ET by Bob Getterz

Ivan Weiss wrote:

What types of fps are you seeing with the 1060? I have the 4770k OC to 4.3 ghz for comparison... In the air I am fine, on the ground I can see anywhere from 15-25 on average. But what really kills me is approaches into heavy clouds. That brings me to down to a screaching hault and video card is 100% on nvidia inspector

I usually get between 40 and 55 FPS at airports with most sliders set to max with the exception of water, no bloom, and traffic with MTX set to 20%. While flying, the clouds etc. with REX E I get anywhere from 80 to over 100 FPS. Depends how you set up your Nvidia control panel etc.

Bob Getterz (DVA10856)

Posted onPost created on June 12 2017 21:28 ET by Ivan Weiss

Thanks Bob, that is certainly pretty descent! Are those add-on airports like FSDreamteam and the like? If so I cant see why I would need to be concerned with anything more in terms of fps.

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Posted onPost created on June 14 2017 03:21 ET by Matthew Frazier

I have a GTX 970 ssc with 6g and I and getting 25-70 fps. You should be able to check my flight reports and see the average. I run with the sliders pretty much to the right. There are a bunch of youtube videos about configuring using DX10 and the Nvidia panel setup. check them out and play with it. That's what I did. Oh, those frames are with all ORBX, FSDT, PMDG, ect.

Matthew Frazier

First Officer, CRJ-200

Posted onPost created on June 15 2017 08:05 ET by Ivan Weiss

So it sounds like 970 is adequate for now but not really future proofing it. 1060 seems to be the sweet spot in performance vs pricing from what I see here. I think they are about 200-250 a card

DVA3220
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Posted onPost created on June 15 2017 08:29 ET by Tyler Devereaux

Just chiming in. I've got the GTX 970 (4GB), an i7 4790 @ 3.6GHz, 16GB of memory and 3x displays via DP @ 1920x1080. I have the standard stuff.. Orbx, AS, PMDG, FS2Crew, etc running. I'm happy with the performance. I'm on FSX:SE at the moment, very PATIENTLY waiting for the NGX update to be released before I pick up v4. I never think to check my FPS, because I'm never really unsatisfied with the performance (and when I am, it's because FS just crashed.....), but I looked at my last several flights, and (according to ACARS) I average right around 30FPS. I had some flights in the 60s, and some closer to 20, but it seems the vast majority of them average right around 30. I typically stay away from the New York area for fear of OOMs, but even on the rare occasion I've flown up there, the sim was still smooth (just on the verge of running out of VAS). Unfortunately, like I said, I haven't really tracked it too much because I very seldom notice any lag (at least, non-fatal lag that is shortly followed by loud profanity), but I can tell you that I haven't noticed my FS setup really taxing my computer on CPU or memory usage. The few times I've pulled up Process Explorer, my computer seems to be basically asleep while running FS. It sounds like you've got pretty decent stuff otherwise, so it stands to reason you may see a decent increase if you stepped up your GFX card.

I'm considering going up to the 10xx series, though it was honestly just a passive interest rather than any disappointment I was aiming to fix. I saw an article yesterday about NVIDIA running a promo... if you pick up the 1080/1080Ti, you can get a free copy of Destiny 2 and I think early access.

Posted onPost created on June 16 2017 09:11 ET by Yisrael Wealcatch

Ivan Weiss wrote:

What types of fps are you seeing with the 1060? I have the 4770k OC to 4.3 ghz for comparison... In the air I am fine, on the ground I can see anywhere from 15-25 on average. But what really kills me is approaches into heavy clouds. That brings me to down to a screaching hault and video card is 100% on nvidia inspector

I don't have P3D, but I have tried FSX:SE and X-plane. On FSX:SE with close to maximum settings, with some special effects turned off, I get a very smooth 60 fps (I lock my frame rate to 60), and at high detail airports, it drops down to the low 30s. I haven't tried any PMDG or similar aircraft yet though.

On X-Plane, with similar settings, I get in the 40s and 50s most of the time with the default aircraft and scenery. I also have 2X MSAA turned on, because the card can handle it.

I'm hoping I can overclock my CPU a bit more. Right now I'm maxing out at 3.8GHz, but I have plenty of thermal headroom because I have an AIO water cooler now. I'll give it a shot.

Yisrael Wealcatch (DVA12719)

Posted onPost created on September 04 2017 07:39 ET by Ivan Weiss

Hey all so now I am ready to buy so just seeing if the recommendations are the same. Is the GTX 1060 still the sweet spot on price and performance for the p3d v4 environment? Going from a 660 I would expect a huge benefit.

But I really don't want to spend 500 on a card.

Also, how do I compare the various manufacturers? Which 1060 should I get or look for?

Posted onPost created on September 04 2017 09:12 ET by Ivan Weiss

So I decided to bite the bullet and get the Gigabyte GTX 1060 G1 Gaming OC 6 gb video card.

I would have to imagine going from a evga GTX 660 I am going to see a "slight" benefit lol

Posted onPost created on September 05 2017 00:26 ET by Tyler Devereaux

Ivan Weiss wrote:

So I decided to bite the bullet and get the Gigabyte GTX 1060 G1 Gaming OC 6 gb video card.

I would have to imagine going from a evga GTX 660 I am going to see a "slight" benefit lol

Nice! Enjoy!

Posted onPost created on September 11 2017 22:40 ET by Ivan Weiss

Well, the new card arrived today and I promptly installed with an evil eye from my wife lol. Didn't really tinker yet but loaded up p3d in ATL. Figuring outskirts of a tropical storm is enough weather to test it out. Cranked up a bunch of settings and was still hitting 25 fps in p3d on takeoff. So I will tinker more but looks like microstutters in bad weather are a thing of the past.

Best is I couldn't get gpu load to budge from 0 percent. Not sure how accurate that could be though

Posted onPost created on September 11 2017 22:42 ET by Ivan Weiss

What aa settings do you guys recommend? Not sure I need to crank it all the way. And do you use Nvidia control panel or control everything in p3d?

Posted onPost created on September 12 2017 10:21 ET by Luke Kolin

Ivan Weiss wrote:

Best is I couldn't get gpu load to budge from 0 percent. Not sure how accurate that could be though

That's almost certainly a monitoring issue - I can go from 45-95% in P3D on a 1070 (at 2560x1440). What are you using to monitor? GPU-Z? NV inspector?

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on September 12 2017 10:59 ET by Ivan Weiss

Luke, that is what I thought..... Nvidia inspector was doing it.

but I had not yet rebooted my system after installing drivers. So I wonder if I will see improvement next time.

I am only on 1080p so monitor resolution is not really pushing it

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Posted onPost created on June 20 2018 23:39 ET by Peter Tambornini

My gtx 1070 runs beautifully

Peter Tambornini

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Posted onPost created on December 24 2018 00:45 ET by Elias D'Costa

Hey Guys,

I am reviving this old thread on which Graphics Card to Purchase, knowing we now have RTX Card 2070 ($500 - 600), RTX 2080 ($700 - 900), RTX 2080 Ti ($ 1200 - 1400)

Currently, I have an old GTX 780 3GB
PC i7 4770K OC to 4.2 GHz

Since I installed X-Plane 11, Graphics Card is now causing a bottle neck and limiting performance.

GTX 1070 8GB is on sale for $335
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125871&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL122118&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL122118-_-EMC-122118-Index-_-DesktopGraphicsCards-_-14125871-S0&ignorebbr=1

Newer version RTX 2070 8GB is available for $500
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487413&Description=rtx%202070&cm_re=rtx_2070-_-14-487-413-_-Product

Currently, video card benchmark puts RTX 2070 at a higher performance than GTX 1080 Ti. This performance number could change in the future, and it changes daily.
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

RTX 2070 - (14271)
GTX 1080 Ti - (14156)

Will the new card RTX 2070, work with i7 4770k? Will CPU become a bottle neck?

Anybody here using new graphics card RTX Series?

Elias D'Costa

Captain, L-1011-100

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Posted onPost created on December 24 2018 17:58 ET by Adam Magiera

I ran a 1080TI with a 4790K @ 4.4 GHz and the the 1080TI wasn't even close to bottle-necked. If I were in your position I would go with the 2070 because even if it were bottled necked a little it will have a longer shelf-life than a 1070 at this point so if you upgrade chip/mobo in the future the GPU will still be good to go for a number of years to come. But honestly I don't see a 4770K and 2070 combo as being a big bottle-neck issue.

Adam Magiera

Assistant Chief Pilot, B737-800

Posted onPost created on December 24 2018 19:03 ET by Yisrael Wealcatch

I run a 1060 with X-Plane 11 and on maximum settings I get a consistent 30-40 fps. Honestly, I wouldn't shell out the money for a 2070. A 1070 is very sufficient and much cheaper, especially if you find a good deal on a used one.

Yisrael Wealcatch (DVA12719)

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153 legs, 203.0 hours online
241 legs, 336.1 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on January 13 2019 20:38 ET by Aaron Fankhauser

sims these days arnt really GPU dependent. The faster you can get your CPU clockspeed the better. i have a 7820x OC'ed to 5GHz on 8 cores with SLI 1080s and i completely removed the 1080s for a temp 1060 and noticed no real difference.

Aaron Fankhauser

Captain, B737-800

Posted onPost created on January 14 2019 07:56 ET by Sean Zarella

Aaron Fankhauser wrote:

sims these days arnt really GPU dependent. The faster you can get your CPU clockspeed the better. i have a 7820x OC'ed to 5GHz on 8 cores with SLI 1080s and i completely removed the 1080s for a temp 1060 and noticed no real difference.

sims these days like pp3d are heavily gpu dependent on VRAM why you need a card with at least 4gb and the more you have the more it can load

Sean Zarella (DVA11021)

Posted onPost created on January 14 2019 10:48 ET by Thiago Braga

A GTX 1080TI is enough! No need yet for RTX`s. I would hold that for a moment.

Thiago Braga (DVA9545)

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