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DVA2121
Captain, B767-300

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Shreveport, LA

396 legs, 1,147.2 hours
323 legs, 973.4 hours online
286 legs, 864.2 hours ACARS
18 legs, 50.9 hours event

Posted onPost created on November 19 2017 18:15 ET by Grant Shelton

I have a PIREP on hold from yesterday KABQ-KDFW. I used ACARS for the flight and used the pax/fuel load feature that is included in ACARS. Shortly after takeoff, about 2000ft agl, ACARS had my fuel marked in red as insuffiecient. Not having seen this happen before, I panicked a bit and went in FSX to add some fuel. Is this normal for ACARS and I just never noticed before? Can I get the PIREP approved seeing as how I used the ACARS fuel load utility, and I even added more in reserves?

Grant Shelton

Captain, B767-300

DVA11591
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3,271 legs, 11,709.7 hours
2,885 legs, 10,250.1 hours online
3,142 legs, 11,149.0 hours ACARS
326 legs, 874.1 hours event
274 legs dispatched, 316.5 hours

Posted onPost created on November 19 2017 20:56 ET by Soonho Lee

Please contact whomever that held your flight directly.

Soonho Lee (DVA11591)

Posted onPost created on November 19 2017 22:13 ET by Grant Shelton

Been trying find contact info to no avail. I know who it is but cant locate an email addy

Grant Shelton

Captain, B767-300

DVA2887
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837 legs, 1,044.3 hours online
1,265 legs, 1,770.7 hours ACARS
31 legs, 49.6 hours event
3 legs dispatched, 2.5 hours

Posted onPost created on November 19 2017 22:19 ET by Andrew Vane

Click on the our staff link at the left. It has all staff emails.

If this happens in the future, quit out and restart the flight from the gate. we don't allow aerial refueling as we're not a military VA.

Andrew Vane (DVA2887)

Posted onPost created on November 19 2017 22:31 ET by Grant Shelton

Disregard. I found the email. Thanks.

Still looking for clarification regarding ACARS fuel loading profiles. Is it standard for this to happen from the flight progress tab during t/o and or departure? If so, I'll just ignore going forward

thanks for the info,
GS

Grant Shelton

Captain, B767-300

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240 legs, 553.9 hours online
1,964 legs, 8,083.1 hours ACARS
75 legs, 196.3 hours event
2,342 legs, 9,424.9 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 66.4 hours

Posted onPost created on November 19 2017 23:18 ET by Luke Kolin

Grant Shelton wrote:

Still looking for clarification regarding ACARS fuel loading profiles. Is it standard for this to happen from the flight progress tab during t/o and or departure? If so, I'll just ignore going forward

ACARS Flight progress will extrapolate fuel exhaustion time based on current fuel burn. Given that this can be 5-10x as much during takeoff and climbout I would not pay too much attention to it until you are at cruise altitude.

To give you an idea, a 767 can do around 46k lbs/hour on takeoff roll, then around 10k lbs/hr at cruise.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

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5 legs, 3.8 hours online
1,902 legs, 2,868.8 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on November 22 2017 08:21 ET by Jim Daigneau

Adding to Luke's post, you wil routinely see insufficient fuel after takeoff and during the climb when you have 1) planned a flight landing with minimum reserves or 2) planned a flight near the maximum range of the airplane. In fact, the fuel prediction may stay red for a while at cruise until you burn off fuel and decrease GWT. This is true for props, turbo props and jets. So, the moral of the story is plan your flights careful and trust your figures.

Jim Daigneau (DVA5643)

Posted onPost created on November 22 2017 13:13 ET by Grant Shelton

I figured that might be what was happening but was just wanting to double check. Got it! Thanks for the info everyone

GS

Grant Shelton

Captain, B767-300

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