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DVA2887
Senior Captain, A320
OLP, 737-ATP, VFRADV
E-MAIL
Joined on January 30 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
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Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
US Mountaineer Club
Toulouse 250 Club
Online Eight Century
Charlotte, NC
1,283 legs, 1,792.7 hours
837 legs,
1,044.3 hours online
1,265 legs,
1,770.7 hours ACARS
31 legs,
49.6 hours event
3 legs dispatched, 2.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
November 20 2018 12:16 ET by Andrew Vane
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Soonho spotted these in a magazine. Coming soon for the real world Delta but already here for your holiday pleasure!
DVH4877 LEG 1 KLGA 0900 KEYW 1243 E170
DVH4877 LEG 2 KEYW 1313 KLGA 1624 E170
Enjoy!
DVA Operations
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DVA10698
Chief Pilot, B717-200
OLP, 737-ATP
DISPATCHER
Joined on April 25 2012
50 State Club
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DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
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Flying Colonel
Online Fifteen Century
"Life is simple, eat, sleep, fly, sim....."
Miami, FL
1,682 legs, 2,309.2 hours
1,621 legs,
2,204.2 hours online
1,682 legs,
2,309.2 hours ACARS
104 legs,
165.6 hours event
75 legs dispatched, 191.3
hours
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Posted onPost created on
November 20 2018 13:16 ET by Jay Marin
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Love it! Will it on the 717 once I return from LAX. 
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DVA9080
Senior Captain, DC-6
OLP
E-MAIL
Joined on September 30 2010
B757 100 Club
Everett 250 Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
Carolina Club
Online Seven Century Club
Eight Century Club
Events Century Club
Elizabethtown, KY
865 legs, 2,390.3 hours
778 legs,
2,126.8 hours online
821 legs,
2,255.0 hours ACARS
107 legs,
261.1 hours event
70 legs dispatched, 109.8
hours
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Posted onPost created on
November 20 2018 16:42 ET by Nathan Cox
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Jay Marin wrote:
Love it! Will it on the 717 once I return from LAX. :)
Careful, Jay. The KEYW's runway is too short for the 717.
Runway 9/27 is 4,800 ft. The 717 requires 4,650 ft for landing and 5,500 ft for takeoff, so I hope you didn't book a round trip ticket. Also, I doubt operations appreciates us stranding aircraft haha.
Now that I think about it, our fleet profiles page indicates that the E170 isn't acceptable for the flight either due to takeoff performance. Our E170 profile states that 5,299 ft is required for takeoff. Andrew, I know that DL is actually operating this flight with the E170, but our fleet profiles page doesn't take into account weight-limited flights like this one. So what does this mean for us at DVA since "insufficient runway length for takeoff" is grounds for PIREP rejection, and the listed aircraft for that flight in our schedule isn't capable of meeting DVA's determination of those performance requirements?
Sources:
https://www.deltava.org/airportinfo.do?id=EYW
https://www.deltava.org/aircraft.do?id=B717-200&op=
https://www.deltava.org/aircraft.do?id=ERJ-170&op=
https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/delta-new-nonstop-flight-from-laguardia-to-key-west/
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DVA2887
Senior Captain, A320
OLP, 737-ATP, VFRADV
E-MAIL
Joined on January 30 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Tri-Jet Triumph
US Coastal Club
Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
US Mountaineer Club
Toulouse 250 Club
Online Eight Century
Charlotte, NC
1,283 legs, 1,792.7 hours
837 legs,
1,044.3 hours online
1,265 legs,
1,770.7 hours ACARS
31 legs,
49.6 hours event
3 legs dispatched, 2.5
hours
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November 20 2018 18:21 ET by Andrew Vane
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Good info Nathan. You have done your homework. I will make a change to the E170 profile.
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DVA9080
Senior Captain, DC-6
OLP
E-MAIL
Joined on September 30 2010
B757 100 Club
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DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
Carolina Club
Online Seven Century Club
Eight Century Club
Events Century Club
Elizabethtown, KY
865 legs, 2,390.3 hours
778 legs,
2,126.8 hours online
821 legs,
2,255.0 hours ACARS
107 legs,
261.1 hours event
70 legs dispatched, 109.8
hours
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Posted onPost created on
November 20 2018 19:05 ET by Nathan Cox
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Thanks, Andrew!
I've looked into the E170 performance some more.
This figure is from the E170 Airport Planning Manual published by Embraer.
On an ISA+15 day, takeoff weight is limited to about 72,500 lbs at EYW.
Some quick fuel calcs for an LGA-EYW route:
Distance: 1061 NM (great circle)
Cruise TAS: 460 knots
Air time: 2.28 hours
Cruise fuel flow (from DVA aircraft profile): 2050 lbs/hr per engine
Thus, fuel required for the flight with BOS as the alternate comes to:
Trip: 9,368 lbs
Alternate: 2,225 lbs
Reserve: 3,075 lbs
Minimum takeoff fuel: 14,698 lbs
Now, to examine the weight limitations to find the maximum payload weight.
Takeoff Weight Limitation: 72,500 lbs
Basic Operating Weight: 45,636 lbs (does not include crew)
Crew weight (inc. bags): 900 lbs (two flight crew members and two flight attendants)
Minimum takeoff fuel: 14,698 lbs
Subtracting the basic operating weight and the minimum takeoff fuel from our takeoff weight gives us the maximum payload weight of 11,266 lbs.
FAA AC 120-27E establishes the average passenger weights that airlines are to use for weight and balance calculation. This flight is a summer seasonal flight, so we'll use the summer standard average passenger weight of 190 lbs.
If there are no checked bags onboard, the maximum number of passengers able to be carried on the flight is only 59. This illustrates why Delta already imposes a limit of one checked bag per passenger on flights to and from EYW (note that is a hard limit - you cannot pay a fee to check more than one bag). Checked bags will only further reduce the maximum allowable passenger load.
References:
https://www.embraercommercialaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/APM_E170.pdf
https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC120-27E.pdf
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DVA2887
Senior Captain, A320
OLP, 737-ATP, VFRADV
E-MAIL
Joined on January 30 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Tri-Jet Triumph
US Coastal Club
Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
US Mountaineer Club
Toulouse 250 Club
Online Eight Century
Charlotte, NC
1,283 legs, 1,792.7 hours
837 legs,
1,044.3 hours online
1,265 legs,
1,770.7 hours ACARS
31 legs,
49.6 hours event
3 legs dispatched, 2.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
November 21 2018 09:41 ET by Andrew Vane
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That great graph shows why its difficult to attach a single number to runway length requirements. I did shrink the requirement in our aircraft data to be less than the KEYW runways.
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DVA5643
Senior Captain, DC-6
Joined on February 08 2008
Piston Prop Professional
50 State Club
US Coastal Club
Globetrotter
US Mountaineer Club
Flying Colonel
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Long Beach 500 Club
"I'd rather be lucky than good"
Hampton, GA USA
1,909 legs, 2,878.8 hours
5 legs,
3.8 hours online
1,902 legs,
2,868.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
November 26 2018 13:55 ET by Jim Daigneau
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Great post, Nathan! Really demonstrates the problem of operating out of a marginal field. It's still hard to believe that Eastern would put 727-100s in there. When I was stationed at the NAS in the late 80s, Piedmont would fly F28s in there, but they were load limited and the runway had to be dry. So the schedule, like Delta's, was in and out before the afternoon showers. Delta marketing reportedly wanted to put a 737-700 in there at night. Fortunately, FLTOPS said "NO WAY!".
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DVA11591
Senior Captain, B757-200
OLP
Joined on July 02 2013
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Everett Millennium Club
DVA Fleet Master
Online Twenty Century
US Coastal Club
Events Double Century Club
Five Million Mile Club
US Mountaineer Club
B757 100 Club
Tri-Millennium Club
Tin Dispatcher
DVA Five-Year Anniversary
"Left foot dead foot, verified! Feather Left!"
Daytona Beach, FL
3,271 legs, 11,709.7 hours
2,885 legs,
10,250.1 hours online
3,142 legs,
11,149.0 hours ACARS
326 legs,
874.1 hours event
274 legs dispatched, 316.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
November 28 2018 15:40 ET by Soonho Lee
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Better get your landing skills very sharp! There isn't much margin for error when landing at KEYW.... Got F5s stationed just North East of the airport and there are water everywhere!
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DVA5643
Senior Captain, DC-6
Joined on February 08 2008
Piston Prop Professional
50 State Club
US Coastal Club
Globetrotter
US Mountaineer Club
Flying Colonel
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Long Beach 500 Club
"I'd rather be lucky than good"
Hampton, GA USA
1,909 legs, 2,878.8 hours
5 legs,
3.8 hours online
1,902 legs,
2,868.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
November 28 2018 18:19 ET by Jim Daigneau
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But the F-5s don't carry real bullets. (Although the Hornets do.) Careful out there!
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DVA11591
Senior Captain, B757-200
OLP
Joined on July 02 2013
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Everett Millennium Club
DVA Fleet Master
Online Twenty Century
US Coastal Club
Events Double Century Club
Five Million Mile Club
US Mountaineer Club
B757 100 Club
Tri-Millennium Club
Tin Dispatcher
DVA Five-Year Anniversary
"Left foot dead foot, verified! Feather Left!"
Daytona Beach, FL
3,271 legs, 11,709.7 hours
2,885 legs,
10,250.1 hours online
3,142 legs,
11,149.0 hours ACARS
326 legs,
874.1 hours event
274 legs dispatched, 316.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
November 28 2018 19:04 ET by Soonho Lee
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Keep forgetting the Key West NAS has the Hornets along with the P3, P8 and E2s. Been some time since Dan W and I flew down there haha
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