Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler - Poll: Create a separate E170/E190 program????

Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | Airline Operations | Poll: Create a separate E170/E190 program????

Poll Results
(1 vote)

Yes (33 votes)

No (9 votes)

DVA2887
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1,283 legs, 1,792.7 hours
837 legs, 1,044.3 hours online
1,265 legs, 1,770.7 hours ACARS
31 legs, 49.6 hours event
3 legs dispatched, 2.5 hours

Posted onPost created on May 16 2019 08:27 ET by Andrew Vane

There seems to be some buzz about creating a separate E170/E190 program. I wanted to open a poll just to gauge interest. This doesn't mean we're going to create a new program but I'd love to get people's opinions collectively.

Its just a poll. smile

DVA12617
Chief Pilot, A350-900
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Herriman, UT

1,280 legs, 2,967.8 hours
391 legs, 810.3 hours online
1,261 legs, 2,925.6 hours ACARS
25 legs, 78.6 hours event
39 legs dispatched, 174.2 hours

Posted onPost created on May 16 2019 10:45 ET by Joe Burner

Would this be a stage 1 aircraft rating? Just curious.

Joe Burner (DVA12617)

DVA4241
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Kansas City, MO

1,296 legs, 2,494.8 hours
1,136 legs, 2,197.3 hours online
1,259 legs, 2,399.1 hours ACARS
28 legs, 67.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on May 16 2019 10:49 ET by Chad Rhinehart

Please for the love of god yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chad Rhinehart (DVA4241)

Posted onPost created on May 16 2019 12:49 ET by Andrew Vane

I haven't gotten that far yet in my mind. I was thinking stage 5. nuts

DVA388
Senior Captain, B747-400
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Midwestern United States

1,252 legs, 2,773.2 hours
153 legs, 178.1 hours online
1,172 legs, 2,643.0 hours ACARS
10 legs, 22.0 hours event
39 legs dispatched, 67.6 hours

Posted onPost created on May 16 2019 17:32 ET by David Vega

The E170/190 and E175/195 are a joy to fly. Flew the Feelthere ones extensively in FSX. I see real world Delta uses the E170 and E175. As you know Feelthere and Aeroplane Heaven are co-developing the aircraft family for P3D4. There also alternatives for X-plane. I would be in favor of the E170/E175 as much as I'm of the A220.

DVA10583
Captain, B757-200
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Maryville, TN

150 legs, 294.6 hours
26 legs, 41.0 hours online
149 legs, 293.3 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on May 16 2019 18:50 ET by Anthony Casella

👍

Anthony Casella

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DVA13609
Captain, B767-300

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Midwestern United States

189 legs, 358.9 hours
188 legs, 356.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on May 22 2019 15:07 ET by Caleb Mcbrier

If there is a new program added, feel free to contact me for any specifics on the jet. I am typed in the real world rimshot

Caleb Mcbrier

Captain, B767-300

DVA2370
Senior Captain, B737-800
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Flagler Beach, FL USA

675 legs, 726.8 hours
319 legs, 311.4 hours online
179 legs, 146.1 hours ACARS
1 legs, 1.6 hours event
0 legs dispatched, 4.0 hours

Posted onPost created on May 23 2019 18:28 ET by Scott Clarke

Yes!

DVA11156
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San Jose, CA

4,011 legs, 6,726.2 hours
3,684 legs, 6,029.2 hours online
4,007 legs, 6,722.5 hours ACARS
69 legs, 132.7 hours event
0 legs dispatched, 0.5 hours

Posted onPost created on May 24 2019 16:59 ET by Andres Honegger

looks like a good choice knowing there are a number of them are carrying the regional load cool

Andres Honegger

Assistant Chief Pilot, B757-200

DVA12910
First Officer, B737-800

Joined on January 11 2016

Southeastern United States

10 legs, 20.3 hours
9 legs, 19.1 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on May 26 2019 19:54 ET by Thomas Mckigney

Would the ERJ family be a secondary part of this primary rating, or would they remain with the CRJ?

Thomas Mckigney

First Officer, B737-800

DVA9505
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Virginia Beach, VA USA

1,806 legs, 3,270.8 hours
102 legs, 201.1 hours online
1,804 legs, 3,265.5 hours ACARS
2 legs, 3.3 hours event

Posted onPost created on May 26 2019 20:17 ET by Sean Costello

Yeah!

Sean Costello

Captain, B757-200

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556 legs, 1,049.5 hours
554 legs, 1,044.6 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on May 26 2019 22:51 ET by Harvey Brammer

seems natural that the135/145 should be in a program with the 175

Harvey Brammer

Captain, MD-88

Posted onPost created on May 27 2019 08:41 ET by Andrew Vane

Ahhh Harvey...you have tapped into one of the complications. It does make some sense to make that change. I already started a todo list so that'll be a consideration. I really need to write a manual so let me see if i can crank that out first.

Andrew Vane (DVA2887)

DVA3220
Captain, B737-800
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Southeastern United States

78 legs, 129.9 hours
73 legs, 122.3 hours online
76 legs, 127.3 hours ACARS
31 legs, 57.3 hours event

Posted onPost created on May 28 2019 20:00 ET by Tyler Devereaux

I rewrote this post at least 5 times before posting. I'm torn on it. The ERJs are undoubtedly popular, and certainly deserve recognition as primary players, but ultimately I would rather we promote the ERJs to primary ratings and not create a new program.

We could have a (turbo)prop program, a CRJ program, and an ERJ program, just like our Stage 2 offerings. The only thing about this is that the motivation for splitting off the ERJs seems to be their popularity. Does this mean that we'll have to revisit this in a few more years, as the RJ landscape changes? Alternatively, if we change the names of the stage 1 programs-- Prop/Turboprop and Turbofan, or perhaps Historic/Classic and Current --and elevate the 135/145/170/175 to primary ratings, we keep an existing structure that supports future changes in the RJ fleet.

Posted onPost created on May 28 2019 21:53 ET by Andrew Vane

Very good points Tyler and I'll be re-reading them and thinking on them. Its always good to think of the future and where we're going. If real world Delta gets rid of all the CRJ's, we would still have a CRJ program. My thought behind the E170/E190 program would be to create a little bit larger RJ program. Its becoming a newer market including the A220's Delta has on order. Plus, many of our pilots really enjoy their programs, no matter how large or small. I don't really see a lot of jumping around. Pilots find their group and stick with them. Not sure where the ERJ135/145 would fall yet either. I considered making it a primary aircraft but its not really the same as the larger E170 aircraft.

Good points though and I'll be giving them some more thought. I have about 15 things on my list now for this to happen so I'm working through it. I did find an E190 freeeware for every single type of sim we have (FS2004/FSX/P3dv3/p3dv4/xp10/xp11) and that's a huge accomplishment. We actually haven't added a program since we split the 757/767 programs a very long time ago I believe (like 12+ years).

Andrew Vane (DVA2887)

Posted onPost created on June 02 2019 14:56 ET by Tyler Devereaux

Andrew Vane wrote:

Very good points Tyler and I'll be re-reading them and thinking on them. Its always good to think of the future and where we're going. If real world Delta gets rid of all the CRJ's, we would still have a CRJ program. My thought behind the E170/E190 program would be to create a little bit larger RJ program. Its becoming a newer market including the A220's Delta has on order. Plus, many of our pilots really enjoy their programs, no matter how large or small. I don't really see a lot of jumping around. Pilots find their group and stick with them. Not sure where the ERJ135/145 would fall yet either. I considered making it a primary aircraft but its not really the same as the larger E170 aircraft.

Good points though and I'll be giving them some more thought. I have about 15 things on my list now for this to happen so I'm working through it. I did find an E190 freeeware for every single type of sim we have (FS2004/FSX/P3dv3/p3dv4/xp10/xp11) and that's a huge accomplishment. We actually haven't added a program since we split the 757/767 programs a very long time ago I believe (like 12+ years).

I respect this entirely. As I mentioned previously, I'm very torn. A new program would certainly be exciting. Also, you make a great point about us being able to maintain an equipment program even if Delta retires the aircraft IRL. What I was so torn on is, while I really do like the idea of some "change," I just couldn't come up with a good way to split up the programs. Seat capacity was the most obvious thing to jump out at me, but that presents another dilemma: you'd end up splitting up the CRJs too. By seats, the CRJ2s would get lumped with the 135s and 145s, and the 700/900s would get lumped with the 170/190s; we'd basically have the same situation we have now, except with one extra program. I also considered the A220, but a quick check of Wikipedia (so, you know it must be true! <g>) yielded that it had been assigned to mainline rather than RJs. Perhaps that doesn't make a difference to many, but to me the idea of assigning a mainline aircraft to our regional equipment program seemed odd. It seems like the A220 (as a 100+ seater) should stick with the Stage 2 Airbus fleet.

I like your idea very much, but I got hung up on the logistics of it all. If you can craft something that makes sense, I think it would be fantastic. I don't envy you for having to figure out the logistics of it, though!

Posted onPost created on June 02 2019 18:21 ET by Andrew Vane

Thanks Tyler for the great comments. I can tell you its going to happen and someone is already helping me with it. We'll do our best to make it make sense ha ha. Its a new experience for me so I expect I'll forget something along the way I'm sure. smile

DVA3672
Senior Captain, A320
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2,534 legs, 6,223.1 hours
1,537 legs, 3,252.2 hours online
2,243 legs, 5,407.0 hours ACARS
4 legs, 6.0 hours event
2 legs dispatched, 19.5 hours

Posted onPost created on June 05 2019 14:26 ET by Chris Frasure

Brilliant idea!
CF

Posted onPost created on June 06 2019 21:56 ET by Tyler Devereaux

Sounds great! I look forward to seeing what you guys come up with!

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854 legs, 4,935.3 hours
459 legs, 2,833.7 hours online
821 legs, 4,774.3 hours ACARS
48 legs, 276.5 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 28 2019 20:01 ET by Frank Muniz

We might need an A220 program considering Delta has large number on order.

Frank Muniz

Captain, B777-200

Posted onPost created on July 11 2019 20:54 ET by Anthony Casella

A220 program would be great

Anthony Casella

Captain, B757-200

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