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Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | DVA2006 | Wilco 777

DVA2980
Captain, MD-11
OLP

Joined on March 15 2006
50 State Club
DVA Fleet Master
US Mountaineer Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Everett 250 Club
Globetrotter
Nine Century Club
US Coastal Club

Springfield, IL

919 legs, 1,284.9 hours
59 legs, 132.8 hours online
876 legs, 1,215.3 hours ACARS
31 legs dispatched, 29.1 hours

Posted onPost created on May 27 2006 00:13 ET by Stanley Swank II

Does anyone know about the Wilco 777. How it flys, etc. OR does anyone know a better T7 to get?

Stanley Swank II (DVA2980)

DVA1763
Senior Captain, B757-200

Joined on June 29 2004
Everett 250 Club
Online Six Century Club
Seven Century Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary

Oklahoma City, OK

723 legs, 2,015.0 hours
645 legs, 1,824.0 hours online
585 legs, 1,608.7 hours ACARS
10 legs, 44.8 hours event
740 legs, 2,044.9 hours total

Posted onPost created on May 27 2006 00:28 ET by Steve Pickle

Get the PSS.

Steve Pickle (DVA1763)

DVA1267
Senior Captain, B777-200

Joined on July 09 2003
Triple Century Club

"Tactless, Understood, Right"
Colorado Springs, CO USA

368 legs, 1,943.8 hours
47 legs, 192.9 hours online
54 legs, 217.2 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on May 27 2006 11:30 ET by Matt Reamy

The Wilco 777 model is outstanding, but the PSS has better systems modeling.

Matt Reamy (DVA1267)

DVA1938
Captain, B777-200

Joined on September 27 2004

Western United States

89 legs, 394.3 hours
50 legs, 218.3 hours online
52 legs, 247.0 hours ACARS
1 legs, 1.3 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 26 2006 00:49 ET by Marty Connor

Go with the PSS T7

Marty Connor (DVA1938)

DVA2704
Captain, B767-300

Joined on November 26 2005

Dearborn Heights, MI USA

98 legs, 264.8 hours
94 legs, 255.6 hours online
66 legs, 151.1 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on July 10 2006 19:33 ET by Terry Johnson

That is a horrible picture, "the Wilco is outstanding but, PSS better system modeling"
I guess PSS must be Immortal!

AFV009
Senior Captain, B747-400

Joined on April 20 2004
International Tourist
B737 Century Club
50 State Club
Quadricentenary Club
Diplomatic Mission
Million Mile Club

"4 engines 4 long haul"
Oxford, Oxfordshire County UK

489 legs, 2,290.2 hours
4 legs, 6.8 hours online
335 legs, 1,204.6 hours ACARS
593 legs, 2,712.0 hours total
10 legs dispatched, 9.6 hours

Posted onPost created on July 10 2006 19:38 ET by Dan Biddle

No, Matt said that the Wilco *model* is outstanding, but the systems are modelled better on the PSS.

Of course, neither can be outstanding, as they're missing a couple of engines on the wings biggrin

DVA2887
Senior Captain, A320
OLP, 737-ATP, VFRADV
E-MAIL

Joined on January 30 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Tri-Jet Triumph
US Coastal Club
Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
US Mountaineer Club
Toulouse 250 Club
Online Eight Century

Charlotte, NC

1,284 legs, 1,794.0 hours
838 legs, 1,045.6 hours online
1,266 legs, 1,772.0 hours ACARS
31 legs, 49.6 hours event
3 legs dispatched, 2.5 hours

Posted onPost created on July 10 2006 20:01 ET by Andrew Vane

...and a second floor right Daniel?????

The PSS is excellent. Still some bugs but PSS is working them out and very responsive on the avsim forums to issues. They want their product to be as good as it can.

IF you go for PSS 777, get the Just Flight version. You get more models and liveries for $30-34 than if you purchase the download version directly from PSS. Nice thick printed manual and case too.

Andrew Vane (DVA2887)

AFV046
Senior Captain, B747-400

Joined on September 18 2004
International Tourist
Online Two Fifty Club
Triple Century Club

HK

389 legs, 1,557.4 hours
243 legs, 964.7 hours online
345 legs, 1,353.2 hours ACARS
21 legs, 92.7 hours event
741 legs, 3,101.2 hours total
4 legs dispatched, 4.1 hours

Posted onPost created on July 10 2006 20:40 ET by Ryan Wilson

Should have done that instead of buying it from PSS frown

Dan, as for your comment, nuts

Ryan Wilson

Senior Captain, B747-400

DVA1938
Captain, B777-200

Joined on September 27 2004

Western United States

89 legs, 394.3 hours
50 legs, 218.3 hours online
52 legs, 247.0 hours ACARS
1 legs, 1.3 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 11 2006 01:29 ET by Marty Connor

Go with the PSS T7. you won't be sorry

Marty Connor (DVA1938)

DVA3318
Senior Captain, B777-200

Joined on April 23 2006
Online Double Century Club
Million Mile Club
Six Century Club

"Life gives you lemons, drink tequila"
Central America

714 legs, 2,875.0 hours
709 legs, 2,864.2 hours online
700 legs, 2,818.8 hours ACARS
10 legs, 38.6 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 14 2006 12:43 ET by Hector Roberts

It's true that PSS T7 has a better model and so, but this a/c kills my frame rate a lot, compared to may PMDG's 737, 747 or level d's 767.
The PSS 57 is soon to be released, and I am hoping it doesnt kill frame rates just as the T7.
It is my humble opinion that PMDG and LDS makes better products than PSS. Not lookin to stir the pot or offend anyone.
Now, if someone could help me get *or make) one of those nice signatures, would help me a lot. Loving each and everyone of them. I dont have a decent picture editor.

Peace, easy.

Hector Roberts

Senior Captain, B777-200

DVA2448
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP

Joined on July 05 2005
Online Century Club
50 State Club
Triple Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Everett Century Club

Spring Lake, MI

343 legs, 971.5 hours
173 legs, 431.4 hours online
300 legs, 812.3 hours ACARS
7 legs, 36.1 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 16 2006 14:47 ET by Tim Fox

Hector, I agree completely with you. The PSS T7 destroys my frames where PMDG and LDS do not...heck, the PMDG 747 runs smooth as silk on my machine, and it is supposeldly one of the most advanced payware planes out there. Don't know why the PSS kills my frames, but I have ditched it, and even though I am chomping at the bit for a 757, I will probably wait for the LDS one, even though the PSS looks awesome.

Tim Fox (DVA2448)

Posted onPost created on July 16 2006 14:55 ET by Hector Roberts

Lets cross fingers and hope for the best with the PSS57, because it's the first one to come out. I have not heard any news on release for the lds57, and it looks it's going to take a long time.
I wish PMDG could do the T7, but I know that they are going to change over to the airbus family at this time with the release of the FSX.

Hector Roberts

Senior Captain, B777-200

DVA2855
Captain, MD-11

Joined on January 29 2006
Online Double Century Club
Long Beach Century Club
Quatercentenary Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary

"Cleared to Land, Delta 2855 Heavy!!!"
Glenville, WV

467 legs, 1,453.6 hours
431 legs, 1,349.6 hours online
414 legs, 1,306.4 hours ACARS
10 legs, 40.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 31 2006 20:42 ET by Michael Holmes

Hector, PMDG is also going to release an MD-11 too. If their Airbuses though are as good as their 738 and 744, I am definitely getting those airplanes. I know I love how the PSS A343 handles on the approach because it has such a low Vref speed of about 120kias! Wouldn't think that an airplane that large could stay airborne when you slow it down that slow!

Cheers!

Michael Holmes (DVA2855)

DVA2482
Chief Pilot, B777-200

Joined on July 16 2005
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
Flying Colonel
Globetrotter
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Everett Millennium Club
Six Million Mile Club

"Master of Gravity"
Boston, MA USA

1,909 legs, 11,955.3 hours
228 legs, 1,400.0 hours online
1,752 legs, 11,085.1 hours ACARS
7 legs, 57.1 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 31 2006 21:51 ET by Oliver McRae

Michael thats an FDE error, the MCDU gives the correct speed of around 140 but the in the air file the lift due to flaps is too great i can give you the correction unless you like doing the approach at 120 knots smile

DVA1855
Senior Captain, B777-200
OLP

Joined on August 28 2004
50 State Club
Everett 250 Club
Kangaroo Club
Online Century Club
Quatercentenary Club
DVA Fleet Master

"Life Begins @ Vmc Life Ends @ Vne+1"
Philadelphia, PA

436 legs, 1,824.8 hours
113 legs, 445.8 hours online
297 legs, 1,208.2 hours ACARS
9 legs, 47.9 hours event

Posted onPost created on August 31 2006 22:03 ET by Andrew Rogers

My T7 has somewhat of a second Floor smile

Posted onPost created on August 31 2006 22:05 ET by Ryan Wilson

Hey Oliver, send the fix on over smile

Thanks!

Ryan Wilson

Senior Captain, B747-400

Posted onPost created on August 31 2006 22:25 ET by Michael Holmes

Yeah Oliver shoot me that fix too, it's usually giving me about 118-125kias for my Vref speed depending on my weight. I did think that was kind low, but using a -500 to -600 fpm descent rate to stay on the glideslope is usually what I get for my descent rate, so then I was like well maybe that's not too low. Anyways, thanks for the tip Oliver!

Cheers!

Michael Holmes (DVA2855)

DVA1938
Captain, B777-200

Joined on September 27 2004

Western United States

89 legs, 394.3 hours
50 legs, 218.3 hours online
52 legs, 247.0 hours ACARS
1 legs, 1.3 hours event

Posted onPost created on September 02 2006 00:52 ET by Marty Connor

Go with the PSS T7

Marty Connor (DVA1938)

DVA3480
Captain, EMB-120

Joined on August 23 2006

"Accept No Limitations"
Middle East

49 legs, 124.7 hours
2 legs, 2.1 hours online
7 legs, 9.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on October 10 2006 03:20 ET by Anuj Arora

Pss 777 bestt

Anuj Arora (DVA3480)

DVA3442
Senior Captain, B767-300

Joined on August 10 2006
Online Double Century Club
Million Mile Club
Quincentenary Club

Peoria, IL USA

510 legs, 2,231.3 hours
202 legs, 862.4 hours online
477 legs, 2,103.5 hours ACARS
19 legs, 58.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on October 10 2006 17:15 ET by Ian Hamilton

Wilco 777 is great and is much better than any PSS aircraft!

Ian Hamilton

Senior Captain, B767-300

DVA1070
Senior Captain, B777-200
COMM

Joined on January 28 2003
Online Century Club
Double Century Club

"I believe I can fly"
Jeffersonville, IN USA

218 legs, 841.9 hours
182 legs, 778.3 hours online
108 legs, 505.1 hours ACARS
42 legs, 200.5 hours event

Posted onPost created on October 10 2006 19:47 ET by Adam Gaweda

please elaborate Ian, I am looking into getting Wilco (Feelthere) 777

Posted onPost created on October 10 2006 20:16 ET by Ian Hamilton

Well, I am a big fan of the Wilco products and have always been very pleased with them. The flight dynamics are great on it and the VC is amazing and for so much detail not much of a hit on the frames. For me that is the big plus that it doesn't affect the frames as much as the PSS 777.

Ian Hamilton

Senior Captain, B767-300

Posted onPost created on October 10 2006 21:23 ET by Adam Gaweda

Ian, regarding the frame rate hit with PSS, did you adjust the instrument refresh rate in the setup screen (SHIFT+8). It is set to 18 fps by default. The flight dynamics on PSS 777 and Wilco 777 were both developed by the same person ... wait ... don't get me started on the 777 flight dynamics rofl

DVA3517
First Officer, B767-300

Joined on September 05 2006

"Fly ZHU!"
Western United States

27 legs, 38.2 hours
26 legs, 36.3 hours online
24 legs, 34.2 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on October 16 2006 21:43 ET by Brian Perlman

A question for Andrew Rogers or anyone else,

How does the T7 have a second floor? I might be missing something, but I thought that either something has a second floor or doesn't have a second floor. Could you please elaborate? The only "double-decker" I know of is the A380. Thanks a lot for your help!

Brian

P.S. Andrew, how did you become a DVA mentor? Sounds fun!! smile

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