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DVA2817
First Officer, B767-300

Joined on January 17 2006

Southeastern United States

72 legs, 252.2 hours
24 legs, 93.3 hours online
58 legs, 209.9 hours ACARS
1 legs, 7.6 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 05 2006 22:57 ET by Dakota Smith

I have heard many times that a pilot has been banned because of his/her age. I would like to make a suggestion that in the joining form we add a place where the person joing must enter there age. And not let the person join if there age is not at or over 13. (and then tell them why they can't join of course)

I think this would reduce the hassle on the staff b/c then they would not have to deal with those kind of people beforehand wink

Just a thought smile

AFV046
Senior Captain, B747-400

Joined on September 18 2004
International Tourist
Online Two Fifty Club
Triple Century Club

HK

389 legs, 1,557.4 hours
243 legs, 964.7 hours online
345 legs, 1,353.2 hours ACARS
21 legs, 92.7 hours event
741 legs, 3,101.2 hours total
4 legs dispatched, 4.1 hours

Posted onPost created on June 05 2006 23:09 ET by Ryan Wilson

Dakota,
If you want Luke to consider developing it, I suggest you add it into the issue tracker so he can look at it wink

It sounds like a good idea but, the main concept of age is "don't ask, don't tell" from my understanding.

Ryan Wilson

Senior Captain, B747-400

Posted onPost created on June 05 2006 23:12 ET by Dakota Smith

yea, i seem to have forgotten about the issue tracker redface

I must be half brain-dead or something LOL

Actually, i have seen some other VAs that ask your age. You cannot join if u are not at or above 13.

Dakota Smith (DVA2817)

DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP

Joined on June 10 2001
Event Half Century Club
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Everett 1500 Club
Bi-Millennium Club
Four Million Mile Club

"Col. Panic"
Marietta, GA

2,309 legs, 9,298.2 hours
240 legs, 553.9 hours online
1,967 legs, 8,091.3 hours ACARS
75 legs, 196.3 hours event
2,345 legs, 9,433.1 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 66.4 hours

Posted onPost created on June 05 2006 23:26 ET by Luke Kolin

This is a question that Terry and I have discussed several times in the past. Before I go farther, let me emphasize that people have NEVER been "banned" from Delta or AFV based on their age.

With that said, the current legal framework we operate under (being a Georgia corporation with a physical presence in New Jersey) is US federal law pertaining to the collection of personal data from minors. Generally speaking, the law frowns on web sites collecting personal data from children under the age of 13 without the consent of their parents or guardians. This is why most virtual airlines prevent you from joining if you are 12 or under, and make you tick a box claiming you are 13 or over.

Personally, I think that's nonsense. COPA (the Childrens Online Protection Act) allows us to get basic personal information about our members under 13, provided that there is no age-identifying information there. All we ask is a name, an e-mail address and a basic, very vague location. Tht pretty much covers us under COPA. If we discover that a person is 12 or under, we are then forced to suspend membership until we get approval from a parent or guardian. In short, for under 12 it's a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of situation. We're forced to suspend until consent arrives because legally we cannot knowingly accept membership from under-13s without parental consent.

The reason we do so is that every 12-year-old I've ever seen will simply check the box and lie. Now under our current arrangement, if someone is "exposed" then no harm, no foul. We simply get the paperwork out of the way and we're done. Under the "I Certify I am 13 or over" arrangement where the member has lied in that box, what are we supposed to do? We're basically in a situation where we have forced someone to lie to join, and then we are forced to condone a lie in order to let the member remain. That's lousy.

This explains why we NEVER ask you your age, and we do not intend to start. You will also find that Delta Virtual and AFV's policies regarding child members is probably the most flexible and open-minded among all of our peers, while still remaining in compliance with COPA.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on June 05 2006 23:53 ET by Dakota Smith

ok, thanx for clearing that up Luke! smile

DVA3461
Senior Captain, B737-800

Joined on August 20 2006
Online Double Century Club
Quatercentenary Club

"Get er' Done!"
NY USA

486 legs, 1,296.8 hours
416 legs, 1,110.1 hours online
288 legs, 733.8 hours ACARS
33 legs, 87.0 hours event

Posted onPost created on December 21 2006 21:47 ET by Joshua Clement

Doesnt seem like a big deal but it is-

Joshua Clement (DVA3461)

DVA4491
Senior Captain, MD-11
E-MAIL

Joined on May 22 2007
Quincentenary Club
Online Quadruple Century Club

"You dun goof'd!"
Lexington-Fayette, KY USA

592 legs, 1,474.8 hours
482 legs, 1,334.7 hours online
455 legs, 1,163.5 hours ACARS
11 legs, 33.0 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 25 2007 20:49 ET by Weston Woodward

Well heres my say on it all

Good Lord im 13 and want to be a pilot when I get older. So for me it is just an oppertunity to "see sorta what its like." And for Dakota's comment about "those kind of people", were just like normal people were just younger. We can be just as good pilots as you all can. So yes, I do agree with having an age restriction but I STRONGLY disagree with the comment about "those kind of people."

Weston Woodward

Weston Woodward (DVA4491)

DVA2750
Senior Captain, B757-200

Joined on December 17 2005
Online Quadruple Century Club
Six Century Club

"Roll Tide Roll"
Montgomery, AL USA

900 legs, 1,831.7 hours
818 legs, 1,580.2 hours online
804 legs, 1,594.9 hours ACARS
20 legs, 45.5 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 25 2007 20:57 ET by Derek Bradley

Weston, this thread, as you can tell is from last year. We had some big problems with immaturity last summer.

Posted onPost created on June 25 2007 21:16 ET by Weston Woodward

o my bad lol what happened

Weston Woodward (DVA4491)

Posted onPost created on June 26 2007 00:47 ET by Derek Bradley

People grew up/ got suspended.

DVA4110
Captain, B767-300

Joined on February 22 2007

Northeastern United States

61 legs, 305.6 hours
58 legs, 301.9 hours online
34 legs, 205.4 hours ACARS
2 legs, 26.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on June 26 2007 01:20 ET by Engjell Berisha

Haha! Luke you're a g mate!

Engjell Berisha (DVA4110)

DVA3787
Senior Captain, CRJ-200
OLP

Joined on December 01 2006
Double Century Club
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club

"Small planes don't make small brains"
Western Europe

277 legs, 515.9 hours
204 legs, 397.0 hours online
244 legs, 456.2 hours ACARS
39 legs, 80.6 hours event

Posted onPost created on July 13 2007 09:24 ET by Mark Salter

Interesting, Luke is right, people do lie about there age all the tim, I may have done the same on many other websites in the past...

Mark Salter

Senior Captain, CRJ-200

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