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Delta Virtual Airlines Water Cooler | DVA2006 | DVA and AFV

NEW DVA PILOT
First Officer, CRJ-200

Joined on July 29 2006

Eastern Canada

Posted onPost created on March 29 2007 21:21 ET by Andre Campbell

How are DVA and AFV connected? I see that DVA seems to be close to them but how and why?? LOL and I just saw that the two websites look EXACTLY ALIKE in their formats.

Andre Campbell

First Officer, CRJ-200

DVA3796
Captain, B737-800

Joined on December 09 2006
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Online Century Club
Triple Century Club
Stage 1 Jet Century Club

"Failing to plan is planning to fail"
New Albany, IN

376 legs, 795.0 hours
177 legs, 281.8 hours online
220 legs, 539.6 hours ACARS
4 legs, 4.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on March 29 2007 21:25 ET by Davor Kusec

They are both a part of the Global Virtual Airlines Group.

Davor Kusec

Captain, B737-800

DVA4180
Senior Captain, MD-88
OLP

Joined on March 08 2007
Online Century Club
Long Beach Century Club
50 State Club
Triple Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary

"Have A&P - Will work for peanuts!"
Van Buren Charter Township, MI

351 legs, 783.1 hours
193 legs, 388.4 hours online
340 legs, 759.3 hours ACARS
20 legs, 41.0 hours event

Posted onPost created on March 30 2007 00:53 ET by Joseph Schwab

How come you cannot be a member of both at the same time?

Joseph Schwab (DVA4180)

DVA2482
Chief Pilot, B777-200

Joined on July 16 2005
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
Flying Colonel
Globetrotter
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Everett Millennium Club
Six Million Mile Club

"Master of Gravity"
Boston, MA USA

1,909 legs, 11,955.3 hours
228 legs, 1,400.0 hours online
1,752 legs, 11,085.1 hours ACARS
7 legs, 57.1 hours event

Posted onPost created on March 30 2007 02:16 ET by Oliver McRae

1. You will be tempted to Dual PIREP (Fly one flight and PIREP it for both DVA and AFV)
2. Thats just the rule.

Oliver McRae (DVA2482)

Posted onPost created on March 30 2007 06:27 ET by Joseph Schwab

i understand the dual PIREP, however, I believe AFV requires ACARS to log flights, therefore, is it still possible to do so?

Joseph Schwab (DVA4180)

Posted onPost created on March 30 2007 08:10 ET by Oliver McRae

Don't know if AFV requires ACARS on all flights and even if this is the case, you could use AFV's (which is the same as DVA's) ACARS and then file the PIREP manually with DVA.

Oliver McRae (DVA2482)

AFV009
Senior Captain, B747-400

Joined on April 20 2004
International Tourist
B737 Century Club
50 State Club
Quadricentenary Club
Diplomatic Mission
Million Mile Club

"4 engines 4 long haul"
Oxford, Oxfordshire County UK

489 legs, 2,290.2 hours
4 legs, 6.8 hours online
335 legs, 1,204.6 hours ACARS
593 legs, 2,712.0 hours total
10 legs dispatched, 9.6 hours

Posted onPost created on March 30 2007 08:18 ET by Dan Biddle

Yeah, we do require that ACARS is used to fly every flight, but Oli's right, you could still file manually with DVA.

Dan Biddle (AFV009)

AFV062
Captain, B747-400

Joined on June 20 2005

"Over to 122.80, thanks for the help!"
Northeastern United States

34 legs, 165.9 hours
32 legs, 155.6 hours online
30 legs, 154.2 hours ACARS
185 legs, 651.1 hours total

Posted onPost created on March 30 2007 21:22 ET by Frank Grivel

I guess you could say that AFV is more "hard core" than DVA. We require correct routings and everything for a PIREP to be approved. Also, ACARS is mandatory for every flight but the first 1 or 2, in which you get your PID. It's best to fly those online, then.

AFV was started in 2004 (?) after DVA, and we refer to the other side as a "sister airline". The airlines are run basically by the same people, and we can transfer (but no flow-through's) between airlines, being put on leave at the airline we are transferring one.

Frank

Frank Grivel (AFV062)

DVA3310
Chief Pilot, A320

Joined on July 07 2006
50 State Club
White Knuckles Club
Million Mile Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Globetrotter
Eurocap Club
Toulouse 500 Club
Flying Colonel

Littleton, CO

1,527 legs, 4,585.9 hours
34 legs, 60.9 hours online
1,488 legs, 4,457.3 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on March 31 2007 07:16 ET by Axel Guillebastre

BTW, as a French speaker, "Aviation Français Virtuel" sounds very odd to me. Besides the two grammar mistakes, the expression looks weird...

Axel Guillebastre (DVA3310)

DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP

Joined on June 10 2001
Event Half Century Club
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Everett 1500 Club
Bi-Millennium Club
Four Million Mile Club

"Col. Panic"
Marietta, GA

2,309 legs, 9,298.2 hours
240 legs, 553.9 hours online
1,967 legs, 8,091.3 hours ACARS
75 legs, 196.3 hours event
2,345 legs, 9,433.1 hours total
91 legs dispatched, 66.4 hours

Posted onPost created on March 31 2007 10:23 ET by Luke Kolin

My French is awful. If you have a gramatically correct name for the airline, I'd suggest changing it.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on March 31 2007 11:58 ET by Axel Guillebastre

Luke, for a grammatically correct name it would be "Aviation Française Virtuelle". Anyway "Aviation Française" mostly refers to Air Force...

So, why not Air France Virtuel, Virtual Air France, or even Air France-KLM Virtual? This would sound so much better!

Axel Guillebastre (DVA3310)

DVA2239
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on March 27 2005
Century Club
Online Century Club

Norman, OK

121 legs, 470.4 hours
113 legs, 448.0 hours online
81 legs, 341.3 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on April 16 2007 17:59 ET by David Reimer

"I guess you could say that AFV is more "hard core" than DVA. We require correct routings and everything for a PIREP to be approved. Also, ACARS is mandatory for every flight but the first 1 or 2, in which you get your PID. It's best to fly those online, then. "

I dont know why DvA doesnt do that. Luke, Would it be possible? At least for correct routings?

David Reimer

First Officer, B777-200

Posted onPost created on April 16 2007 19:02 ET by Luke Kolin

There's a few things I should mention in response. First, the largest technical impediment to this is that we don't have a proper or up-to-date database of preferred routes. If I could get something out of simroutes or vroute, I'd certainly consider loading it into the database and seeing what percentage of our total routes it managed to cover. From there we could certainly add functionality to set a warning flag if a known route was not used, much like we do with the schedule.

I should point out, however, that taking things much farther really isn't a technical decision but a philosophical one. We have been quite consistent over the years at DVA in recognizing that over the pilot community, there's a vast continuum of realism. I don't believe that we would be particularly well served by placing too firm a stake in the ground as to how much realism we wish to force people into. Our training programs, check rides and examinations encourage pilots to learn about flight planning in addition to mere aircraft handling, and my hope is that pilots seek to learn more about real world operations, at a pace that matches their abilities and commitment.

The final thing I'll add is that when AFV was conceived of back in 2004, one of our goals was not just to provide a European and Airbus-oriented airline, but also to provide a different "flavour" by giving each airline distinct management and the ability to diverge in policies and philosophies, subject of course to a few core principles and the technical limitations of the shared webapp/ACARS code. This may be one of those things that will always differ between the two if that's how Terry and Michael wish to do things.

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

DVA3448
Captain, B767-300

Joined on August 16 2006
Century Club
Online Century Club

"Git 'er done!"
Eastern Canada

102 legs, 313.5 hours
100 legs, 310.1 hours online
90 legs, 259.2 hours ACARS
1 legs, 13.0 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 16 2007 20:09 ET by Ian Hunter

how does one transfer between DVA and AFV. im asking because i used to fly extensively in Europe, and i'd like to start again.

Ian Hunter (DVA3448)

DVA2086
Senior Captain, B767-300
E-MAIL

Joined on January 12 2005
Online Double Century Club
Six Century Club
50 State Club

Sharpsburg, GA USA

643 legs, 1,866.3 hours
505 legs, 1,417.9 hours online
418 legs, 1,380.2 hours ACARS
63 legs, 196.8 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 16 2007 20:11 ET by Chris Williams

Ian,

Check this thread.

http://www.deltava.org/thread.do?id=0xC550

Chris Williams

Senior Captain, B767-300

DVA3432
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on August 07 2006
Century Club

"Mile High Blackout"
Aurora, CO USA

152 legs, 525.6 hours
43 legs, 139.8 hours online
101 legs, 431.8 hours ACARS
3 legs, 5.4 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 16 2007 22:11 ET by Mike Peterson

I agree with a few on the matter that we should have proper routes and stuff placed, But i have one problem with that. For myself ,and some others I'm sure, It would be hard to establish this in the fact that we only use the default FS GPS. so the time it would take for us to search through it would be an extreme hassle. now some might say just go buy FSNav or something but some of us buying some of these nice products that would be extremely nice is not possible at the moment due to say work, school and for me now having to replace my stuff that was stolen the other day. not trying to be rude to anyone or anything, just putting in my two cents worth.

Salud!

Mike Peterson

First Officer, B777-200

DVA2780
Captain, B777-200

Joined on December 29 2005
50 State Club
Everett 250 Club
Triple Century Club

"Go big or go home"
Lakeside, CA USA

317 legs, 1,315.4 hours
41 legs, 173.6 hours online
296 legs, 1,235.0 hours ACARS
2 legs, 14.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on April 16 2007 22:18 ET by Dane Penington

Not to mention, for those of us that fly using flightaware to get the real flightplans used that day, flight plans change, sometimes change after a new airac cycle comes out, and sometimes there could be as many as 4 possible flightplans for one route. I would hate to be the guy that has to update the thousands of possible combinations of flightplan routings there are.

I am reading lately that the new form of flying will be GPS for fuel economy. KATL GEETK4 GPS BARET4 KSAN for example and even broder for crossing the pond.

Dane Penington

Captain, B777-200

Posted onPost created on April 16 2007 23:30 ET by Luke Kolin

Out of curiosity Mike, why do you feel that using the FS GPS prevents you from using SIDs/STARs and proper flight planning? I certainly don't believe it can be used for the latest procedures (as an example, none of the new ATL RNAV waypoints are present) but for basic departure/arrival procedures the FS GPS is certainly acceptable.

I've used it exclusively for years now without issues; but then again I don't fly RNAV-equipped aircraft. smile

Cheers!

Luke Kolin

Senior Captain, MD-11

Posted onPost created on April 17 2007 21:08 ET by Mike Peterson

Luke, I still use SIDs and STARs, just it takes time to go in and search for the correct way points and then half the time the correct ones aren't even there.

Mike Peterson

First Officer, B777-200

Posted onPost created on April 17 2007 22:18 ET by David Reimer

Might I reccomend FSNAV? Even if you still use the FS GPS. You can just export it to FS9.

David Reimer

First Officer, B777-200

DVA1763
Senior Captain, B757-200

Joined on June 29 2004
Everett 250 Club
Online Six Century Club
Seven Century Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary

Oklahoma City, OK

723 legs, 2,015.0 hours
645 legs, 1,824.0 hours online
585 legs, 1,608.7 hours ACARS
10 legs, 44.8 hours event
740 legs, 2,044.9 hours total

Posted onPost created on April 17 2007 23:11 ET by Steve Pickle

Luke, we could work out something like this: http://www.zhuartcc.com/module.php?page=routes

A good site to export it to FS9 GPS is http://www.fsroute.com . Though, you must enter the SIDS and STARS point by point ex. KATL FUTBL... etc. etc. instead of KATL BRAVS4...

Steve Pickle (DVA1763)

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