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DVA4613
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Wilmington, NC

326 legs, 994.4 hours
129 legs, 418.7 hours online
224 legs, 748.4 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on November 17 2007 18:36 ET by Terrell Brownlee

I was just wondering if any of you all with Maddog are having any problems with it, like with the FMC or something. I was thinking of buying it, but I read some of the reviews on it and from what I have read, I am not sure about spending $60 on it just yet.

Terrell Brownlee

Captain, B767-300

DVA4193
Captain, MD-11

Joined on March 16 2007
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Grand Forks, ND USA

627 legs, 1,470.6 hours
594 legs, 1,383.7 hours online
583 legs, 1,347.5 hours ACARS
19 legs, 63.1 hours event

Posted onPost created on November 17 2007 18:50 ET by Daniel Johnson

Its a great plane. No VC, but still very good. Nothing wrong with the FMC except you might have problems with the SID/STAR database.

Daniel Johnson (DVA4193)

Posted onPost created on November 17 2007 19:03 ET by Terrell Brownlee

Do you think it is worth it to buy it..........Well, do you think it is a good enough payware to buy it?

Terrell Brownlee

Captain, B767-300

DVA4180
Senior Captain, MD-88
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Joined on March 08 2007
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Van Buren Charter Township, MI

351 legs, 783.1 hours
193 legs, 388.4 hours online
340 legs, 759.3 hours ACARS
20 legs, 41.0 hours event

Posted onPost created on November 17 2007 20:50 ET by Joseph Schwab

It is a bit expensive, however, after a while, i have come accustomed to it. I manually add my sid/stars right now, but I will try my hand at adding the sid/stars for the airports i fly the most. I must say, the only thing that I miss is the VC.

Joseph Schwab (DVA4180)

DVA1679
Senior Captain, A320

Joined on May 16 2004
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Utica, MI USA

322 legs, 620.4 hours
300 legs, 591.4 hours online
115 legs, 194.0 hours ACARS
5 legs, 11.3 hours event

Posted onPost created on November 17 2007 23:49 ET by Larry Foltran

I've been using this product for quite some time now and have been completely happy with it. You can check out the full review I wrote at http://www.md88online.com . I think it's worth the cash if you plan to use it a lot.

Larry Foltran (DVA1679)

Posted onPost created on November 18 2007 09:25 ET by Terrell Brownlee

You know what? I am going to ask my mom to buy the Maddog for me for Christmas. I will just tell her that it is beneficial for my future as a pilot.

Terrell Brownlee

Captain, B767-300

DVA938
Senior Captain, MD-88

Joined on November 03 2002
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Dunwoody, GA USA

2,132 legs, 4,949.7 hours
1,197 legs, 2,739.0 hours online
1,301 legs, 3,486.7 hours ACARS
16 legs, 39.5 hours event

Posted onPost created on November 19 2007 12:27 ET by Jared Angstadt

That will be the truth Terrell, it is very very heavy on systems modeling, all they need to do is add/change a few things and change the AHRS system to a IRS system and you will have Delta's setup in the Maddog.

Jared Angstadt

Senior Captain, MD-88

Posted onPost created on November 19 2007 18:49 ET by Terrell Brownlee

Do you think they will ever do that, that is in the future of flight simulators? If they do, I may need to buy a Video Card with like 768 MB or something, and more RAM for that matter. I think if they do that, it will make the flight experience more realistic than it already is. All they need to do is add a VC and include more SIDS/STARS and then it will be truly awesome.

Terrell Brownlee

Captain, B767-300

DVA3885
Captain, MD-88

Joined on January 04 2007

"acta est fabula plaudite"
Conyers, GA USA

79 legs, 118.9 hours
9 legs, 11.5 hours online
3 legs, 4.7 hours ACARS
1 legs, 1.3 hours event

Posted onPost created on November 20 2007 11:14 ET by Christian Thomas

I have the old Maddog 2004, but I think that it was worth the money. The cool thing is that the old Maddog has the VC, although some earlier versions had some FMC problems. I have the latest version of the 2004, so most of the FMC problems are solved, but there are some problems every once in a while. What can I say, you can't get Flight Simulator perfect..... wink

DVA3672
Senior Captain, A320
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Northeastern United States

2,534 legs, 6,223.1 hours
1,537 legs, 3,252.2 hours online
2,243 legs, 5,407.0 hours ACARS
4 legs, 6.0 hours event
2 legs dispatched, 19.5 hours

Posted onPost created on November 20 2007 11:28 ET by Chris Frasure

I'm not really a maddog guy but I purchased it for $60 and it was well worth every penny. It is a great model and is fun to fly. The only thing that I can't live without is a VC.

DVA5204
Captain, MD-11

Joined on November 11 2007
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"Aviate, Navigate, Communicate."
Southeastern United States

113 legs, 494.9 hours
109 legs, 485.4 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on November 20 2007 11:39 ET by Nathan Harwood

What about the Coolsky Super 80? Is the Maddog the only "real" competitor? I have the Super 80 and it does have VC. Just wondering why people are only mentioning the maddog in this thread. I find the super 80 sufficiently realistic from a systems standpoint and the FMS seems reasonable. What are it's downsides? (I know there are some, just curious)

Nathan Harwood (DVA5204)

DVA3356
Captain, B727-200

Joined on July 15 2006

Poynton, Cheshire GB

38 legs, 80.6 hours
7 legs, 19.3 hours online
27 legs, 63.1 hours ACARS
2 legs, 9.2 hours event

Posted onPost created on November 20 2007 12:26 ET by Andrew Melia

The Maddog 2006 is fantastic... probably the highest quality addon out there, and thats saying something. But it is let down by the FMC sid/star database. There are ways round it, they've even included a tool to manually create or modify individual sids or stars, and the load manager tool is fantastic. Ilove the 2004 edition, but the 2006 beats it hands down.

Incidentally... Jared, I have a boxed copy of maddog 2004 availabel free to a good home... now, I did offer it to another guy in DVA but he declined, I'm not suprised, what with all the suspicion surrounding "internet friends bearing gifts", so, as you're quite senior in the maddog programme, maybe I can send it to you, and you can donate it to one of your worthy pilots - maybe give it away as a prize? I've uninstalled it, and don't use it since I got 2006 - I've got a few jetcity liveries too and all the patches and updates.

I hate to see fellow pilots drooling over a wanted addon when I've got one gathering dust. Let me know.

Andrew Melia

Captain, B727-200

Posted onPost created on November 20 2007 15:38 ET by Larry Foltran

Nathan - The main difference between the Super-80 package and the MD06 is the type of equipment. The Super-80 features analog gauges and is similar to what American Airlines flies. MD06 features the electronic engine displays and more closely resembles the equipment Delta uses. Although I've purchased both, I still haven't installed the Super-80 package. I do hear it's outstanding though.

I suppose it all comes down to personal preference.

Larry Foltran (DVA1679)

Posted onPost created on November 22 2007 22:56 ET by Christian Thomas

Like Mr. Larry said, the Maddog had a whole lot more electronics than the Super 80. The attitude indicator and the engine readouts are both electronic on the Maddogs, while they were gauges on the Super 80s. The annuciator panel was also upgraded and simplified in the Maddog, now we just have a black screen and a few of the old light-up boxes. Other than those electronic upgrades, the planes remain virtually the same, although the Super 80s usually had the blue cockpit interior unlike the grey Maddog. The Coolsky Super 80 looks awesome and I've been tempted several times to check it out!

Christian Thomas (DVA3885)

DVA5204
Captain, MD-11

Joined on November 11 2007
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"Aviate, Navigate, Communicate."
Southeastern United States

113 legs, 494.9 hours
109 legs, 485.4 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on November 23 2007 00:07 ET by Nathan Harwood

I love the Super 80, but maybe I'll give the MD06 a look, I'd like to keep it as close to what Delta operates as possible. Thanks for the info gents!

Nathan Harwood (DVA5204)

DVA5259
First Officer, B777-200

Joined on November 15 2007

Sacramento, CA USA

45 legs, 70.4 hours
5 legs, 9.1 hours online
43 legs, 66.5 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on December 04 2007 00:53 ET by Daniel Haro

Yea, they have a nice sleek design.

Daniel Haro

First Officer, B777-200

Posted onPost created on December 27 2007 23:13 ET by Terrell Brownlee

Does the Super 80 have a FMS? Because I did not read on the Flight1.com website that the Super 80 has a FMS.

So, all in all, which one do you think I should buy, the LAGO MD-80 or the Super 80?

Terrell Brownlee

Captain, B767-300

Posted onPost created on December 28 2007 07:58 ET by Joseph Schwab

The only thing i notice is not in the MD06 model is the autobrake switch on the center console. I have loved my purchase, and look forward to when they release the VC for it.

Joseph Schwab (DVA4180)

Posted onPost created on December 28 2007 09:59 ET by Jared Angstadt

? when did the autobrake get installed? is there a patch/update? its normally on the lower right end of the pedestal

Jared Angstadt

Senior Captain, MD-88

Posted onPost created on December 28 2007 15:25 ET by Larry Foltran

You must have misread Joseph's post. No deal on the auto-brake feature yet. I'm still crossing my fingers though.

Larry Foltran (DVA1679)

DVA5312
Captain, B737-800

Joined on December 15 2007
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Western United States

503 legs, 1,088.5 hours
44 legs, 86.8 hours online
418 legs, 899.9 hours ACARS
1 legs, 2.1 hours event

Posted onPost created on December 28 2007 15:49 ET by Tristan Morales

I gotta say as a witness it's a bird you can jsut go fly, requires reading, studying and practicing....I believe they're working on a fix for it's de-icing when using FsP but hey you get to initiate De-icing procedures so no biggie...The FMC is very complicated but after reading the material covering it's operations you should be on your way..very good investment!

Tristan Morales (DVA5312)

DVA1427
Senior Captain, MD-11
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Kannapolis, NC

558 legs, 1,984.3 hours
250 legs, 611.8 hours online
384 legs, 1,530.5 hours ACARS
38 legs, 82.7 hours event

Posted onPost created on December 28 2007 16:02 ET by Lewis Gregory

The Super 80 doesn't have an FMS like in a Boeing or Airbus. It has the OMEGA navigation system, which is basically an old-school INS with a slightly friendlier interface. That's combined with an automatic performance system sort of like the PDCS that first-generation 737s (and some 727s) had.

The Maddog 2006 models a newer MD-80 that has an FMS very similar in operation to what you'd find on a 737. That, I believe, is what all Delta's birds have.

I have the MD2006 and don't have the Super 80. The MD2006 is an outstanding and deep simulation of the Mad Dog, it's only lacking a VC.

Lewis Gregory

Senior Captain, MD-11

DVA238
Senior Captain, B737-800

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1,485 legs, 3,437.6 hours
235 legs, 435.3 hours online
1,124 legs, 2,800.8 hours ACARS
1 legs dispatched, 1.8 hours

Posted onPost created on December 28 2007 21:24 ET by Brittany Sventon

Deicing when using FS Passengers? I experienced that problem on a MD-88 flight a week ago with the Maddog and FSpax.

Brittany Sventon (DVA238)

Posted onPost created on December 28 2007 21:52 ET by Jared Angstadt

Yea, Larry I missed the not part in Joseph's post, me too

Jared Angstadt

Senior Captain, MD-88

Posted onPost created on December 28 2007 23:03 ET by Tristan Morales

Yeah it's a problem on their to fix list but as unreal as it may be the De-icing procedures are pretty cool even if we have to call them in 90 degree weather..;)

Tristan Morales (DVA5312)

Posted onPost created on December 29 2007 11:43 ET by Brittany Sventon

So there's nothing wrong with the Jet City merge with the Maddog 2006 then?

Brittany Sventon (DVA238)

DVA4290
Senior Captain, CRJ-200

Joined on April 04 2007
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Houston, TX USA

502 legs, 829.4 hours
340 legs, 575.5 hours online
421 legs, 683.7 hours ACARS
41 legs, 81.2 hours event

Posted onPost created on December 29 2007 21:04 ET by Andrew Lynn

Hey Brit, I love your signature! LOL. MARTA is SMARTA!

Andrew Lynn

Senior Captain, CRJ-200

DVA1690
Senior Captain, MD-88
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Longmont, CO USA

476 legs, 699.4 hours
467 legs, 685.6 hours online
254 legs, 389.4 hours ACARS
3 legs, 3.9 hours event

Posted onPost created on December 29 2007 21:25 ET by Trevor Bair

I can tell you from experience (since I just got done doing it with the -90), stick with the default Maddog '06 model rather than merging it with the JCA model. The merge is rather painful and you loose some of the functionality that makes the MD'06 a great plane.

TRB

Trevor Bair

Senior Captain, MD-88

Posted onPost created on December 30 2007 02:22 ET by Joseph Schwab

I'm with Trevor on that! Don't merge em.. not worth the pain..

Joseph Schwab (DVA4180)

Posted onPost created on December 30 2007 13:24 ET by Larry Foltran

Not sure why anyone would want to merge the MD06 with JCA, aside from the MD-90 model. The model that comes with the MD06 is very nice to begin with. They made quite a few improvements from the earlier version.

Larry Foltran (DVA1679)

Posted onPost created on December 30 2007 14:02 ET by Tristan Morales

Maddog 2006 didn't come with a MD-90 model, atleast I didn't get one.

Tristan Morales (DVA5312)

Posted onPost created on December 30 2007 16:06 ET by Brittany Sventon

Would the Maddog 2006 have the same range/performance as the MD-90?

Brittany Sventon (DVA238)

Posted onPost created on December 30 2007 16:23 ET by Trevor Bair

Larry's referring to the JCA MD-90 model. The merge that I completed was the MD'06 panel/sounds with the JCA MD-90 visual model. The merge, if done correctly, would have the performance and range as the MD-90. But, therein lies the trick; tweaking the right parameters in the cfg files to get to -90's performance. Based on the limited testing that I did with my merge, it was similar to what one would expect from the -90, but there is still work to be done with it to get it a little truer to life.

TRB

Trevor Bair

Senior Captain, MD-88

DVA1763
Senior Captain, B757-200

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723 legs, 2,015.0 hours
645 legs, 1,824.0 hours online
585 legs, 1,608.7 hours ACARS
10 legs, 44.8 hours event
740 legs, 2,044.9 hours total

Posted onPost created on December 30 2007 17:12 ET by Steve Pickle

Trevor, did you get the landing lights to work correctly? If so, I'd be interested in those merge files.

Steve Pickle (DVA1763)

Posted onPost created on December 31 2007 10:18 ET by Trevor Bair

Steve - Unfortunately, no. The landing lights always being on is a limitation of the model and apparently can't be fixed without access to the source code. However, I found that it isn't too major of an issue from a visual standpoint -- especially when flying during the day. Otherwise, there's still some tweaking to do, but it isn't too bad.

TRB

Trevor Bair

Senior Captain, MD-88

DVA5612
Captain, MD-88

Joined on February 26 2008

Western Canada

17 legs, 29.8 hours
7 legs, 14.1 hours online
10 legs, 17.7 hours ACARS

Posted onPost created on March 12 2008 15:00 ET by Robert Van Dyk

In the real world, I used to de-ice Alaska MD-80's in the middle of summer in 80 degree weather on quicks turn arounds in Vancouver. Odd, I must say.

Robert Van Dyk (DVA5612)

Posted onPost created on March 13 2008 18:06 ET by Terrell Brownlee

Have you all had a problem with the Maddog on FSX? When I load up the aircraft, I pan around the aircraft with the hat switch on my joystick and the screen goes black; when I go into the cockpit, all I see is the main panel and nothing else.....absolutely nothing else. Does anyone know what this is and how to fix it?

Terrell Brownlee

Captain, B767-300

Posted onPost created on March 14 2008 09:02 ET by Larry Foltran

Someone mentioned in another thread to try hitting "a" to ensure you're in the 2d panel view. Not sure though. I'm still on FS9.

Larry Foltran (DVA1679)

Posted onPost created on March 15 2008 15:53 ET by Terrell Brownlee

Larry,

I saw that thread and I tried that, but for some reason it happens to all of my payware aircraft, such as the Maddog and the AlphaSim SR-71; I regret buying it since it does that.

Terrell Brownlee

Captain, B767-300

Posted onPost created on March 15 2008 21:16 ET by Larry Foltran

If it's happenng with all the payware products you've purchase, my guess is that it's related to your system rather than a glitch with each specific product. Possibly a problem with the video card?

Larry Foltran (DVA1679)

Posted onPost created on March 16 2008 15:23 ET by Terrell Brownlee

What I think is, during installation, something went wrong, such as the wrong directory or corrupt files, and it makes the screen turn black. I troubleshooted it and it did not give me anything to work with. If it is with my video card, I do not care because I get to get a new and extremely faster one; I think it is the Nvidia GeForce 8800 GSX.

Terrell Brownlee

Captain, B767-300

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